Mikel Arteta: Mid-table Mikel

Do you think that Arsenal should continue with Arteta for the next season?

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Big Poppa

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Also I used to hate when in his later years Wenger would chuck all our strikers on the pitch at once when we were chasing a goal.

We did exactly the same thing today, a front three of Auba - Nketiah - Laca offers you no creativity at all.

His attacking philosophy worries me greatly. He doesn’t seem to have great belief in midfield contributions to attack and has an inescapable infatuation with Eddie and a Laca who are both ineffective outside the box.
 

dashsnow17

Sounds Like Hairspray
I mean we were also very bad before Arteta arrived, so that should be kept in mind. He hasn't made us a terrible attacking team, he just hasn't fixed it either.
 

Maybe

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For me it never was about the trophies won when it came to Arsenal. I barely remember us winning the league. It was the football that got me to support the club. Winning a trophy shields you from banter from friends and gives you that mojo for about three weeks but then its back to square one.
It depends when did you start to support, I was lucky to enter the party in the late '90s, but some of the most enjoyable games were in that fantastic period of 06-08 with Hleb, Fabregas and Rosicky. They couldn't win things then, but boy nobody couldn't outplay them when they were in their game
 

HairSprayGooners

Top 10 is the new Top 4
Paycut disaster

pablo mari

cedric soares

freezing out players

not playing saliba

failing to loan saliba

fighting with Guendouzi

fightinf with Özil

hoofball tactics

stubborn selections

wasting our 70m signing on the bench

Failing to sell last summer resulting in an oversized team

Only good signing was a release clause, so failing to negotiate the price down


Ladies and gents, Edu and Teta

Conveniently forgetting Gabriel, FA cup win, better defensive record etc. We dont play hoofball, scored some unreal team goals this season already.

Failing to sell would only be relevant if we failed to buy. Stupid point to bash Edu and Arteta. Quite embarrassing post actually.

Lovely reactionary stuff. People will be flailing in here if we lose to United.
 

field442

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I mean we were also very bad before Arteta arrived, so that should be kept in mind. He hasn't made us a terrible attacking team, he just hasn't fixed it either.

Yeah that’s my big worry. Like @GDeep™ said, he has made us better defensively but that’s mainly through getting numbers behind the ball and adding a bit of structure. Managers like Pulis and Allardyce could’ve done that. The attacking play hasn’t progressed at all. We have scored some pretty goals playing out from the back to front but we did that under Emery as well. What we’re seeing outside of those goals is the same as what we saw under Emery, that being we dominate possession and focus attacks down the wings with very little to show for it.
 

AmsterdamGunner

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Trophies come and go its the football that always sticks around. We got a trophy from this style of play in a very small sample space. It may have worked for then but you won't be getting a trophy every time you win playing that way.​

For me it never was about the trophies won when it came to Arsenal. I barely remember us winning the league. It was the football that got me to support the club. Winning a trophy shields you from banter from friends and gives you that mojo for about three weeks but then its back to square one.

I desperately hope that its Mikel that brings back our joyful football and he backs it up with trophies, but some here are giving him too much leeway.

The he doesn't have players he wants argument is one that won't hold much weight. If he needs to sign 7-8 players to start off then he ain't nothing special is he? No manager in the entire world gets 11 players of his dream apart from maybe Pep. He needs to start showing us he can make a team play the Arsenal way.

I couldn’t agree more, it’s the style of play that is a big part of what makes Arsenal, not only the prizes. I understand Arteta is building and needs his own players, i really hope he succeeds. But not having good enough players shoudn’t be an excuse to play dull and boring football. Are our players really worse than Leeds or Everton or Aston Villa or Wolves or Southampton? They try to play football, go forward and create chances, even against the top six. Our shots on target the last couple of games is really bad.
 

dashsnow17

Sounds Like Hairspray
I would say go back to basics and just play people in a vaguely natural position in a 4-2-3-1 or something. You know, Saka LW, Auba CF, Pepe RW, pick two of Partey/Ceballos/Xhaka for the double pivot. But literally who plays in the number 10 position?

You could ask different people to do it, but you'd be asking all of them to do something slightly unfamiliar for them. The only natural fit is ESR and he's not even near the squad.

So tbh apart from a general 'stop being so conservative' I have no idea how to fix this. We don't have any creative midfielders, which is exactly why I kept saying Aouar was a bigger priority than Partey.
 

MikelHadADream

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I would say go back to basics and just play people in a vaguely natural position in a 4-2-3-1 or something. You know, Saka LW, Auba CF, Pepe RW, pick two of Partey/Ceballos/Xhaka for the double pivot. But literally who plays in the number 10 position?

You could ask different people to do it, but you'd be asking all of them to do something slightly unfamiliar for them. The only natural fit is ESR and he's not even near the squad.

So tbh apart from a general 'stop being so conservative' I have no idea how to fix this. We don't have any creative midfielders, which is exactly why I kept saying Aouar was a bigger priority than Partey.

Willian plays at 10 when fit imo. He was quite good against Shef U when he moved centrally imo. At any rate he is only of thr only players that can receive the ball between the lines.
 

dashsnow17

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Yeah that’s my big worry. Like @GDeep™ said, he has made us better defensively but that’s mainly through getting numbers behind the ball and adding a bit of structure. Managers like Pulis and Allardyce could’ve done that. The attacking play hasn’t progressed at all. We have scored some pretty goals playing out from the back to front but we did that under Emery as well. What we’re seeing outside of those goals is the same as what we saw under Emery, that being we dominate possession and focus attacks down the wings with very little to show for it.

Yeah, and it's the one-dimensionality of the goals we do score. Like they look very good, but they're misleading. Good teams score all types of goal, not just one elaborately constructed one.

It's almost like with both Emery and Arteta the main focus has been to coach the team to concede less, and then they've tried to find one way to score. And that's about it.

The thing is Arsenal have a team of analysts that will have known for a long time about our attacking problems, the fact our xG is terrible and we take so few shots won't be news to them. They see it in their data every week. It's just we don't seem to be doing anything about it.
 

dashsnow17

Sounds Like Hairspray
Willian plays at 10 when fit imo. He was quite good against Shef U when he moved centrally imo. At any rate he is only of thr only players that can receive the ball between the lines.

Yeah I suppose that's the best option available to us. It would just take a change of approach from Arteta. Whatever the formation he only ever plays three attacking players, which is very Southgate-esque. He could try playing with four attackers, but he'd have to let go of some of his control-freak conservatism.
 

Aubamagoal

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Conveniently forgetting Gabriel, FA cup win, better defensive record etc. We dont play hoofball, scored some unreal team goals this season already.

Failing to sell would only be relevant if we failed to buy. Stupid point to bash Edu and Arteta. Quite embarrassing post actually.

Lovely reactionary stuff. People will be flailing in here if we lose to United.

gabriel was a raul signing though wasnt he? FA cup turns out to be a lucky streak. No need to look further than the current season and how the team plays.

Arteta and Edu are a pair of rookies who need to learn their trade elsewhere.

embarassing to defend them at all cost.
 

field442

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I would say go back to basics and just play people in a vaguely natural position in a 4-2-3-1 or something. You know, Saka LW, Auba CF, Pepe RW, pick two of Partey/Ceballos/Xhaka for the double pivot. But literally who plays in the number 10 position?

You could ask different people to do it, but you'd be asking all of them to do something slightly unfamiliar for them. The only natural fit is ESR and he's not even near the squad.

So tbh apart from a general 'stop being so conservative' I have no idea how to fix this. We don't have any creative midfielders, which is exactly why I kept saying Aouar was a bigger priority than Partey.

Yeah I’d like to see a more basic formation and positional play. With the way we play at the minute you’ve got Tierney and Bellerin so far up the pitch that they’re doing a lot of the work out wide where you’d want players like Saka, Willian and Pepe in the ball. If you think about an Arsène 4-2-3-1 you’d have the double pivot and then from left to right you had Sanchez, Özil and Walcott all pretty much positioned 30-35 yards away from the opposition goal with the striker in front. Now you’ve got a midfield 2 with the LCB sort of playing as an inverted fullback and 5 players all pretty much spread across the pitch near the opposition 18 yard box. We completely neglect the middle of the pitch in the final third.

I’d like to see an Arsène style 4-2-3-1 with Saka, Willian and Pepe playing behind Auba. Let the fullbacks play a bit deeper and provide the overlap when needed.
 

Macho

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I like what Arteta is doing and I am not going to let a few bad results in tough fixtures change this.

Arteta, much like Emery has a personnel problem. I hope you guys now see that most of you were being unreasonable with the insults towards him.

I couldn’t give a toss about attacking football myself - the basics still need work.
 

MikelHadADream

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Yeah I suppose that's the best option available to us. It would just take a change of approach from Arteta. Whatever the formation he only ever plays three attacking players, which is very Southgate-esque. He could try playing with four attackers, but he'd have to let go of some of his control-freak conservatism.

A double pivot of Xhaka/Partey, with Tierney at LB and Gabriel at cb should provide us with enough solidity in most games. As you say though Arteta seems a conservative coach.
 

HairSprayGooners

Top 10 is the new Top 4
gabriel was a raul signing though wasnt he? FA cup turns out to be a lucky streak. No need to look further than the current season and how the team plays.

Arteta and Edu are a pair of rookies who need to learn their trade elsewhere.

embarassing to defend them at all cost.

No he wasn't :lol: Gabriel spoke quite glowingly about the project Edu and Arteta put forward to him.

We beat Chelsea and City in that "lucky streak" if we had beaten Liverpool and City in the league would that also be a lucky streak?

Not defending them at all costs, but it takes time to build a top squad. Not one window, did Liverpool fans get on Klopps back after he signed Wijnaldum and Mane in his first window? Nope. They waited to see what happened despite losing games they really shouldn't have.

People like you would be saying Klopp out after drawing 2-2 against West Brom. What you're doing is way more embarrassing than defending Arteta and Edu. I'll wait until at least February before pointing the finger. Its a weird league this season, if we win Europa I won't care too much about where we finish. The objective this year is to make CL football at all costs.
 

MikelHadADream

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I like what Arteta is doing and I am not going to let a few bad results in tough fixtures change this.

Arteta, much like Emery has a personnel problem. I hope you guys now see that most of you were being unreasonable with the insults towards him.

I couldn’t give a toss about attacking football myself - the basics still need work.

Thr problem is in the long run, if we continue playing like this, we won't get anyway.

We have 1 clean sheet this season, which is not down so much defenders so much imo, its down to us not being able to kill teams and take chances when they're presented to us. This invites pressure on the defense as the opposition grows in confidence.

If your center forward cant take basic chances, then you have no chance really.
 

Big Poppa

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I mean we were also very bad before Arteta arrived, so that should be kept in mind. He hasn't made us a terrible attacking team, he just hasn't fixed it either.

We went on a 22 game unbeaten run under Emery scoring 50+ goals in the process. The problem was you could drive a bus through our midfield and our centre backs were always exposed.

We’ve signed about 10 defenders since then and one of the best defensive midfielders in the world. But we’ve also moved one of the best strikers in the world to the wing, and relieved ourselves of a playmaker.

Our squad is better balanced but we have Arteta trying to micromanage every aspect of our play without the ball which is clearly having a negative impact on our attacking play (as evident by being in bottom 5 for xG)
 

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