Arsenal1508
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It has to be the youngsters as well that dont think much of Arteta. Not just Auba. I bet Saka and Martinelli dont rate him either.Read
It has to be the youngsters as well that dont think much of Arteta. Not just Auba. I bet Saka and Martinelli dont rate him either.Read
Based on what it cost for Emery and coaching staff, adjusting for Arteta wages and contract years left, think I calculated it would be around 11m to sack Arteta and coaching staff this summer. I don’t think it is a high enough number to be a factor.
Did I say I agree with Arteta’s tactical approach? No. I made a post pointing out his tactical flaws.
He can be the worst manager in the world, but it doesn’t stop the fact that we have a shxt squad. Our squad is utter shxt.
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We sacked our entire scouting department which cost us less than 5 M per year. 11 M is a high enough number to be a factor I think. But we will see.
Who? We lack creative quality in our midfielders. We lack creative quality and quantity in our attackers. That’s why we can’t build up. No build up, no possession, no possession, no chance, no chance, no goal. Who the fxxk cares if you are world class in finishing?Our CM needs work and full back positions are problematic with Bellerin lacking edge and Tierney out so much. We should be more productive than we are with our attacking players though. We should still be 6th to 7th overall in PL at least, and so we are underachieving.
I don’t think it is so much technical quality of players though as it is to do with an overall rotten culture and softness in the dressing room that still needs to be fixed, but cannot be until we thin out further the senior ranks in the squad that are just picking up fat paycheques rather than being good role models for our younger players. Regardless of what happens to Arteta this culture needs to be fixed, not just a repeat of what happened with Özil with other players where time is wasted with a “clean slate” where players play well for a new manager for a few months before reverting back to type.
This is what I have posted in the auba thread, read and you will understand:
Just look at how Citi plays. They have a team of creative players. It does not matter who is finishing the chances, because if you create enough of them, your team WILL score a lot of goals.
Citi could have anyone playing the striker role, could be KDB or anyone, and the striker don’t even have to score a lot. The main point is, their whole team is creating plenty of chances. The rest just comes down to having anyone to simply get into the box at the end and tap-in an easy goal.
We need a skillful striker, someone like Suarez/Firmino/Van Persie/Sanchez, or can be a Ødegaard with better finishing (you know what I mean). Someone who could work well with other technical players in the team. Auba, Nketiah or even Laca, are too much of a poacher to me. They are not skillful enough.
Having Auba on the pitch means one player down in the build up, meaning less possession, less chances created, more possession lost, more opportunities for the opponent to counter attack.
In other words, if auba plays, we will struggle to create chances, simply because we have one less creative player on the pitch playing against the same number of opponent defenders. And more importantly, it does not only reduce the number of chances we create, the quality of our chances will also be lowered (having 4 creative players vs a block of defenders, is very different to having 5 creative players against a block of defenders).
I would rather have the above mentioned striker scoring no goals for the season, than a 30 goals Auba. Because it means we would have a much more dangerous attacking force as a team.
People have been asking why Auba was not scoring enough. They asked how many goals would Pepe score this season. They compare the scoring stats of Laca to strikers in other teams........
These questions doesn’t mean much to me. In fact, it’s not just down to the individual performance of the player you questioned. It’s not about if their finishing is/isn’t on spot, or if they have/haven’t scored a lot. It doesn’t matter. If your team have created enough chances, your attacking players WILL score.
It’s the fact that we do not have enough creative talent in the team, which has limited the quantity and quality of chances we created. So my criticism is not that these players are not performing (on an individual level), but rather, they are not a creative player so they have limited our chance creation.
There are only few moments in a match that a striker would score goals. How about the other 87 minutes? Being useless in those minutes?
Strikers are also responsible for creating overload, making good combination passing play in the build up, dribbling defenders to create your own space/chance...basically creating possession/chances, and also helping with pressing if needed.
Auba is a great goal scorer, but he is useless in the other 87 minutes. Having a better footballer in the team instead of auba, who would contribute in those minutes would massively improve the quality/quantity of our chance creation.
There is no place for poacher in modern football. What’s the point of having a great goal scorer but he is useless in the remaining 87 minutes? Why not having someone who could contribute a lot in the build up while also good at finishing? (I know these players comes expensive, but my point is, modern football demand strikers to be more than just scoring goals).
Football is more than just doing nothing for the 87 minutes, and then make a great final pass/finish a great goal.
In these minutes, you have to
1) get the team from your own box to the half way line
2) from the half way line to the opponent box
3) finding a way to break down the opponent defence
4) to pass the ball into the 6 yard box with your striker unmarked.
5) finish the chance
Without 1) to 4), how could you possibly going to get 5)?
Look at how we struggle to even get across the half way line against liverpool. We need more technical/skillful players in the team, with better passing ability, close control.....in order to complete 1) to 4), creating chances after chances.
Having auba and laca on the pitch is like 2 man down in that process, that’s why we failed to create anything.
I was against the signing of auba, laca and Özil back then. And never liked Nketiah. Simply because they are the type of players who are only good at 5) (near the final stage of getting the goal). But they are completely useless in the other 87 minutes. We need more Sanchez, Van Persie, Cazorla, Nasri, Hleb, Fabregas, Arshavin, Rosicky.....who would make huge impact in creating space/possession/chances/break down opponent’s defence, before we arrived the opponent box.
After all, it’s not just about finishing. Just look at City. If you have enough creative players to create plenty of high quality chances, you just need anyone to get into the box to make an easy tap-in. They don’t have to be world class finishers. Auba in the team is limiting the quantity and quality of our chance creation, simply because we are one man down in the build up/chance creation process, we are less capable to break a solid defence down.
Who? We lack creative quality in our midfielders. We lack creative quality and quantity in our attackers. That’s why we can’t build up. No build up, no possession, no possession, no chance, no chance, no goal. Who the fxxk cares if you are world class in finishing?
I have said it again and again. I have pointed out Arteta’s tactical flaws.If you’re telling me Arteta is tapping potential with Saka, ESR, Pepe, Martinelli, Auba, Laca (and Ödegaard), I cannot agree. Remember this is a thread primarily about Arteta’s job performance. For squad analysis there will be room for improvement, but those attacking players we already have should be more than good enough for Top 6. I’ll let others argue this out with you if they wish, this is not an argument that interests me really. I think there is too much thinking here at A-M in general about getting in premium players rather than questioning so much why we aren’t getting more from whatever we have.
You spent a lot of time on this post - well doneWe need at least 5 purchase to be done in the summer to fix the squad.
Edouard will be a great auba/laca replacement.
Gouiri is phenomenal. We can play him as a inside forward with Pepe/Saka on the opposite side (or a false 9 if Edouard is not playing).
Aouar as the attacking midfielder (or Puig).
And also with Buendia in the midfield alongside Partey.- YouTube
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Then our upgrade for attackers/midfielders are completed.
And then we just need to get Hakimi, and play him with Gabriel, Saliba, Tierney.
No more walcott, giroud, chamberlain, Özil, ramsey, Auba, Laca, Nketiah.........these one dimensional limited dogshxt, get the fxxk out of my club. We need more Hleb, Fabregas, Cazorla, Sanchez, Van Persie, Nasri, Arshavin......
I am good with people saying Arteta is shxt.If you’re telling me Arteta is tapping potential with Saka, ESR, Pepe, Martinelli, Auba, Laca (and Ödegaard), I cannot agree. Remember this is a thread primarily about Arteta’s job performance. For squad analysis there will be room for improvement, but those attacking players we already have should be more than good enough for Top 6. I’ll let others argue this out with you if they wish, this is not an argument that interests me really. I think there is too much thinking here at A-M in general about getting in premium players rather than questioning so much why we aren’t getting more from whatever we have.
Good enough for what?I am good with people saying Arteta is shxt.
We can criticise his man management, tactics, vision.....We can say he is shxt in all that.
But what I can’t stand is that some fans are claiming our players are good enough as a point to target Arteta. I am not having that.
Because you have teams like Leicester or even Leeds doing great things with players you could call average (Leeds) or good.I am good with people saying Arteta is shxt.
We can criticise his man management, tactics, vision.....We can say he is shxt in all that.
But what I can’t stand is that some fans are claiming our players are good enough as a point to target Arteta. I am not having that.
We are competing for points against this players. They just ascend from championship. You telling me they have same level or better than us?I am good with people saying Arteta is shxt.
We can criticise his man management, tactics, vision.....We can say he is shxt in all that.
But what I can’t stand is that some fans are claiming our players are good enough as a point to target Arteta. I am not having that.
We are competing for points against this players. They just ascend from championship. You telling me they have same level or better than us?
I can say the same about Saka, Martinelli and ESR... So I outnumbered your argument.
How much better than 10 do you think? 7? 6?Good enough for what?
Did I say win the league?
Or even top 4?
Think what you want about the players but they are better than 10th, Wenger and Emery got 5th/6th with the same guys you are calling sh*t. Emery was only 2 seasons ago.
Then you wonder why people ignore your posts.