Mikel Arteta: Mikspected Goals

What does Mikel need to do to keep his job in your opinion?


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OnlyOne

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It's only a forum, I'll attack Arteta personally if I have to. Imagine spending thousands on a season ticket which to me isn't a lot but the point is he's literally ruined this club and made people waste their money.

He's an absolute freak and can't wait for him to leave. I could knock him out as well, bet he's a terrible dad.
 

Baki

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Are you dense? We finished 8th and are about to finish below that. What makes you think we're good enough for 6th? If our entire squad stays healthy for 38 games then you could possibly argue that we're good enough for 6th but this is Arsenal and you should know better by now.

This place needs to bring the Lobby back, ffs.
We finished 5th when Emery managed us. We’ve now invested £250m+ into the squad. Why wouldn’t we at least finish in the same position?
 

GDeep™

The Solihull Slob
I understand the people who say that it’s not fair to launch personal attacks at Arteta, it’s not really my cup of tea for the most part but people are well entitled to let loose if they want.

Where was this sympathy, when he was being ruthless, throwing players under the bus, convincing guys to stay in a euro year just to bench them, picking his favourites etc? Saliba literally asked him for the opportunity to prove himself and he shipped him out on loan.

Tactics aside, from the evidence available, he doesn’t seem to be a nice person. He deserves all the smoke imo.
Didn’t like him getting involved in the player pay cut thing. Don’t like him waffling and blaming everyone else in the last two days, now talking about what happened 5 years ago.
 

Baki

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Didn’t like him getting involved in the player pay cut thing. Don’t like him waffling and blaming everyone else in the last two days, now talking about what happened 5 years ago.
He also threw players under the bus. 100% was involved in leaking news to the press about players and not even including Özil on the PL registration list was absolutely ducked up. All because Özil was outspoken and wouldn’t take his ****.
 

Riou

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We don't have the technical ability in our squad anymore to have someone as attacking as Arsène or Pep, so we needed someone who has a mix of both Pep and Jose in them...why I was so encouraged last season, we looked competitive in big games while being pretty good defensively, while also being able to take it to the "smaller" teams.

But Mikel went from 40 year old Jose to 60 year old Jose in just one summer, kinda mental :lol:
 

Camus

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That still doesn't change that there was a positive progression going on in terms of league performance, which is the majority of the season and the biggest sample upon which to make judgments,

Arteta league performances are for me personally 4 distinct phases. His initial 20 games last season, the first 14 games of this season, the Dec-Jan undefeated run and 13 games since then. It looks like this:

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The red is the trend line and shows that overall in totality over those periods we haven't progressed at all. Literally. The line is virtually static. In terms of the individual points/phases you can clearly see that:

  • The the good Dec-Jan run deviates from the linear trend line by far the furthest, cementing my point that it was purple patch, an outlier. Not indicative of long terms success/performances/progression.
  • The current 13 game run we're on is actually worse PPM than what Arteta was manging last season, so currently on a trend of declining even based on last season
  • The current 13 game is faaaaaaaaar closer form wise to the first abject 14 games of this season then it is the Dec-Jan run (it also appears to closer than Arteta's initial 20 games which is even more distressing). Again supporting my point that whilst I concede those 14 games were a mild outlier themselves, they are still overall a fairly close representation of our true form and were indicative of where we'd end up performing going forward.

if the progression was not just a positive one but an overwhelmingly positive one (if I could cite, for example, that we were second in xPTS since December 26), then my argument would be a different one.
We're actually exceeding your coveted xPTS since Dec 26. We've been poor but we're still doing better these random model thinks your so enamoured with think we should be, that's damning.

As it is I look at the evidence and come to the conclusion that Arteta's work has been in its totality poor this season
It doesn't take 1 game to come to that conclusion. We've had 53 others, more than enough of a sample size, to realise that. Even if Arteta had beaten Villarreal and then won the EL vs United it would still not have been washed away the other more significant dire performances and alarm bells. Look at our EL run ffs:

In the group stage we played absolute nobodies in the form of Molde, Dundalk and Rapid Wien. If you'd told me all three of these teams we're part-time I'd have believed you. No, Arteta does not get credit, he does not get absolved of his shameful PL record for beating binmen like these. Then in the knock-stages when things stepped up and we played pseudo-binmen it was the most unconvincing semi-final run I've ever seen. Couldn't manage a 2 legged win against any of the bums we played.

So no, stumbling worse than a paraplegic drunk to EL win in which the run to it was filled with terrible teams would not have been enough.

and that the relatively positive progression since December 26
Which already established doesn't really exist.

for however promising Arteta is in theory (as it is mainly just theory right now with only a few tangible hints, and a number of detracting factors)
As I've said in another post, a manager can not have "promise" or "potential". He's not teenager winger that you can play in dead rubber games, or give 10 minute cameos to or send out on loan to get experience and develop. He's a consistent major factor, arguably the major factor, that's there 24/7. If a young CB was "promising" but consistently making mistakes game after game and costing us goals and points would you argue that we should keep playing him? No of course not. So why should a manager be allowed to consistently cost us points game after game? It's beyond irrational and frankly an extremely bizarre concept.

There was nothing cultish about my points, it was far more reasonable than the rest of the discussion going on.
You're adulation for Arteta juxtapositioned against you seething hatred for Emery despite Emery doing significantly better than Arteta currently was/is without question cultish and massively unreasonable.

And it's not "ONE" game, it's a two legged tie taken with the totality of the events of the season. But again, continue to twist things as you like.
What are you on about :lol: You were still vehemently defending Arteta in our discussion even after the 1st leg defeat. Their was no let up or adjustment of your stances, the posts are there to prove it. You've now conceded it's "obvious" Arteta isn't the right man for the job, after that 0-0 draw. So yes it was formed on the basis of ONE games.

As it is, I still brought up points that you have ignored; still brought up the fact that order of events matters quite a lot here, that it was not the same position wrt to league competition (saying nothing about cohesiveness and direction of the team) that Em*ry picked the team up in as did Arteta, that all this hate for Arteta was coming at a time when the team had been performing much better than in the rest of his reign, and in any part of Em*ry's.
I addressed all these points pathetic points numerous. It's braindead irrationality to keep blaming Emery for Arteta's poor performances when Arteta himself is DOING WORSE than when he started.

Arteta is still certainly a better manager than Em*ry (his work is there to be seen; taking Arsenal back drastically, taking Villarreal back now), despite being outmanaged by him in these two games.

You said that it is stupid to rate Arteta and not Em*ry; I pointed out why one reasonably could. You seem to be angry because I do not want to avoid all nuance and analysis, like you, I guess.
No, I primarily said it was stupid to be critical of Emery but not Arteta. It's a subtle difference but the point being is I'm fully in favor of criticism towards Emery I just want that consistently applied to Arteta given he's performing worse.

Again, you will continue to ignore evidence and reason because you seem to be angry and desperate to see me as something I am not. I defer to my posts, which I of course stand by completely now, as they were well thought out and reasoned posts, despite the fact I have adjusted my position accordingly before new evidence, and despite the fact Arteta did not reward the faith I put in him.
That "new evidence" being 1 game. Lmao. You contradict and refute yourself in your own post.
 

LuanNguyen

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Are you dense? We finished 8th and are about to finish below that. What makes you think we're good enough for 6th? If our entire squad stays healthy for 38 games then you could possibly argue that we're good enough for 6th but this is Arsenal and you should know better by now.

This place needs to bring the Lobby back, ffs.
We are good enough to play decent football.
 

The_Playmaker

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I cannot believe he is talking about how much progress can be made in a season without Europe.

The funny thing is, if he has 1 game a week, it will be even more ridiculous if his results are poor. More time to overthink things.
 

blaze_of_glory

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Arteta league performances are for me personally 4 distinct phases. His initial 20 games last season, the first 14 games of this season, the Dec-Jan undefeated run and 13 games since then. It looks like this:

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The red is the trend line and shows that overall in totality over those periods we haven't progressed at all. Literally. The line is virtually static. In terms of the individual points/phases you can clearly see that:

  • The the good Dec-Jan run deviates from the linear trend line by far the furthest, cementing my point that it was purple patch, an outlier. Not indicative of long terms success/performances/progression.
  • The current 13 game run we're on is actually worse PPM than what Arteta was manging last season, so currently on a trend of declining even based on last season
  • The current 13 game is faaaaaaaaar closer form wise to the first abject 14 games of this season then it is the Dec-Jan run (it also appears to closer than Arteta's initial 20 games which is even more distressing). Again supporting my point that whilst I concede those 14 games were a mild outlier themselves, they are still overall a fairly close representation of our true form and were indicative of where we'd end up performing going forward.


We're actually exceeding your coveted xPTS since Dec 26. We've been poor but we're still doing better these random model thinks your so enamoured with think we should be, that's damning.


It doesn't take 1 game to come to that conclusion. We've had 53 others, more than enough of a sample size, to realise that. Even if Arteta had beaten Villarreal and then won the EL vs United it would still not have been washed away the other more significant dire performances and alarm bells. Look at our EL run ffs:

In the group stage we played absolute nobodies in the form of Molde, Dundalk and Rapid Wien. If you'd told me all three of these teams we're part-time I'd have believed you. No, Arteta does not get credit, he does not get absolved of his shameful PL record for beating binmen like these. Then in the knock-stages when things stepped up and we played pseudo-binmen it was the most unconvincing semi-final run I've ever seen. Couldn't manage a 2 legged win against any of the bums we played.

So no, stumbling worse than a paraplegic drunk to EL win in which the run to it was filled with terrible teams would not have been enough.


Which already established doesn't really exist.


As I've said in another post, a manager can not have "promise" or "potential". He's not teenager winger that you can play in dead rubber games, or give 10 minute cameos to or send out on loan to get experience and develop. He's a consistent major factor, arguably the major factor, that's there 24/7. If a young CB was "promising" but consistently making mistakes game after game and costing us goals and points would you argue that we should keep playing him? No of course not. So why should a manager be allowed to consistently cost us points game after game? It's beyond irrational and frankly an extremely bizarre concept.


You're adulation for Arteta juxtapositioned against you seething hatred for Emery despite Emery doing significantly better than Arteta currently was/is without question cultish and massively unreasonable.


What are you on about :lol: You were still vehemently defending Arteta in our discussion even after the 1st leg defeat. Their was no let up or adjustment of your stances, the posts are there to prove it. You've now conceded it's "obvious" Arteta isn't the right man for the job, after that 0-0 draw. So yes it was formed on the basis of ONE games.


I addressed all these points pathetic points numerous. It's braindead irrationality to keep blaming Emery for Arteta's poor performances when Arteta himself is DOING WORSE than when he started.




No, I primarily said it was stupid to be critical of Emery but not Arteta. It's a subtle difference but the point being is I'm fully in favor of criticism towards Emery I just want that consistently applied to Arteta given he's performing worse.


That "new evidence" being 1 game. Lmao. You contradict and refute yourself in your own post.
premier league epl GIF
 

Tree Points

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How the actual f**k is this guy not sacked? I'm starting to believe what John Cross has been saying now - he's going to be at Arsenal for at least the beginning of next season.

Surely your owners don't believe in this 'project'? It will be interesting to see who he buys if he gets another transfer window. The money spent on Pepe was eye watering but its easy to use hindsight. That guy wouldn't look out of place at Brighton.

Edit: My bad Pepe wasn't an Arteta signing. Feels like he was for some reason.
 

GDeep™

The Solihull Slob
How the actual f**k is this guy not sacked? I'm starting to believe what John Cross has been saying now - he's going to be at Arsenal for at least the beginning of next season.

Surely your owners don't believe in this 'project'? It will be interesting to see who he buys if he gets another transfer window. The money spent on Pepe was eye watering but its easy to use hindsight. That guy wouldn't look out of place at Brighton.

Edit: My bad Pepe wasn't an Arteta signing. Feels like he was for some reason.
Our owners have no ambition and the people running the club are clueless, so Arteta staying is VERY possible.

Pepe also was a deal that looked big on paper, but it’s being paid in many instalments.
 

El Duderino

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Lampard struggled once they made big signings last summer and Chelsea took action, look at them now. Let's not forget though that in Chelsea's "transition year" last season he played the kids and got them into the top 4. After having Mount on loan with him at Derby he put him straight into his Chelsea side and look at Mount now, what a player.

Contrast that with our so called "transition year" and well, we've all seen what's happened.

Willian is on route to win that balon dor next season going by Ruthless Mik any day now.

Cedric will be the specialist in polishing and huffing thst trophy to a mirror sheen.

Unless he decides to put Xhaka to that task, that is.
 

Garrincha

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I understand the people who say that it’s not fair to launch personal attacks at Arteta, it’s not really my cup of tea for the most part but people are well entitled to let loose if they want.

Where was this sympathy, when he was being ruthless, throwing players under the bus, convincing guys to stay in a euro year just to bench them, picking his favourites etc? Saliba literally asked him for the opportunity to prove himself and he shipped him out on loan.

Tactics aside, from the evidence available, he doesn’t seem to be a nice person. He deserves all the smoke imo.

He seemed to come in with a massive chip on his shoulder day one & acted like an ass... maybe it was after being beaten out the first time round by Emery? Always remember his same press dogs pushing his name for a mad seven days in 2018.

The Jens quote was pretty succinct. 💯

“I think Mikel Arteta is a good coach but it seems to be a lot about him"
 

El Duderino

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I understand the people who say that it’s not fair to launch personal attacks at Arteta, it’s not really my cup of tea for the most part but people are well entitled to let loose if they want.

Where was this sympathy, when he was being ruthless, throwing players under the bus, convincing guys to stay in a euro year just to bench them, picking his favourites etc? Saliba literally asked him for the opportunity to prove himself and he shipped him out on loan.

Tactics aside, from the evidence available, he doesn’t seem to be a nice person. He deserves all the smoke imo.

I think he got the wrong idea when Josh told him "to get to the bottom of things".

We're pretty close to the bottom alright.
 
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