Mikel Arteta: Mikspected Goals

What does Mikel need to do to keep his job in your opinion?


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Batman

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Tbf I don't like Arteta, but I'm willing to give him credit here because you have guys like Ole telling Rashford he needs to "prioritise football" instead of addressing issues like this.
Fair enough. Yes, that was disgusting from Ole. Arteta is not that bad, I just got the vibe that he was more irritated by the questions than the issues and that bugged me and this was months ago mind you so it's not a new sentiment for me.
 

sdotzdot

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Funny enough, if we wanted an actual example of flippant demeanour towards this sort of issue, look no further than the current Chelsea manager.

I’ve seen many here fawning over him too.
Wow, I had no idea about this.

Ffs he fits Chelsea’s personality to a tee. You just reminded me how much I hate that club.
 

Rex Banter

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Funny enough, if we wanted an actual example of flippant demeanour towards this sort of issue, look no further than the current Chelsea manager.

I’ve seen many here fawning over him too.

Tbf I’d forgotten about this as well. Pretty terrible look.

Can’t hate Rodgers for his racism but twerk for Tuchel. I’m glad we didn’t hire him.

Jose is the real one that got away 😭
 

Kav

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Why are people so fickle or airheaded. What has Tuchel actually done for people to now jump on him and call him racist?

I see nothing there but some silly comment by a bruised ego wanting to find a new enemy to mouth off on. Tuchel wanted the game to continue. Nothing is wrong with that. To accuse him of racism because he wanted to continue the football game is absolutely stupid and lacks any direct link with racism.

Likewise those who associate Ole’s comments about wanting his forward to focus on playing football which is what Manchester United is paying rashford to do is just as laughable. The manager wants his player focused on sports is not different from your manager at work wanting you focused on the tasks at hand. People really do like to blow up issues into causes that don’t exist. :facepalm:
 

ExtjExhtts

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Tbf I don't like Arteta, but I'm willing to give him credit here because you have guys like Ole telling Rashford he needs to "prioritise football" instead of addressing issues like this.

Manchester United pay Rashford insane money because he is a footballer. So yes, he should prioritise football rather than saving the world with his expensive PR team.
 

RunTheTrap

Nobody laughs on my "jokes" 😫
I’m willing to run with the Arteta being racist narrative though. What has he done for Black Lives Matter?
List of pro-black things Arteta has done:
We played our best football in Europa when we smashed Slavia Prague
That's it.

List of of anti-black things Arteta has done:
Signed a guy called Ben White and made him our marquee transfer.
Used to chill with Pep.
Makes Partey play in midfield by himself and do all the running.
Got rid of Willock, Nelson and Saliba but kept ESR and Holding.
Overplayed Saka.
 

Trilly

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Why are people so fickle or airheaded. What has Tuchel actually done for people to now jump on him and call him racist?

I see nothing there but some silly comment by a bruised ego wanting to find a new enemy to mouth off on. Tuchel wanted the game to continue. Nothing is wrong with that. To accuse him of racism because he wanted to continue the football game is absolutely stupid and lacks any direct link with racism.

Likewise those who associate Ole’s comments about wanting his forward to focus on playing football which is what Manchester United is paying rashford to do is just as laughable. The manager wants his player focused on sports is not different from your manager at work wanting you focused on the tasks at hand. People really do like to blow up issues into causes that don’t exist. :facepalm:
The fact that both sets of players decided to walk off in support of Demba Ba but Tuchel was the only one defending the assistant is a massive flag.

It’s one thing not getting involved, it’s another thing defending someone who clearly has done something that can be viewed as racist. Even if the official didn’t mean to be racist (big if) you still take the opportunity to educate him and let him know what he did wrong, you don’t, under any circumstances defend his actions though.
 

Riou

Average Community Shield Enjoyer
The depressing thing isn't really how bad we are now, it's how much worse we would probably have to get before he goes.

Feel like relegation is the only thing I could see getting him and Edu to **** off..tough times :lol:
 

vantoure

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Before we get back on the topic of Arteta's incompetence, just my view on Tuchel / Racism talks:

1. Yeah, i think the "racism" tag has been politicized, abused and misused. Just like MeToo, anti-semitism, etc. It's kind of lost its way

2. For full disclosure, I'm black (the easiest "victim" of "racism") although I may not have experienced a lot of prejudice as I've not lived in Europe so maybe I don't see the full picture though.

3. Regarding this case, I think @Macho statement is apt - Tuchel may be accused on being insensitive, rather that being racist or being biased towards it.

4. I don't remember this incidence in detail, but reading through that link, it's a leap of judgement to accuse Tuchel off that alone. I like Demba Ba a lot.

5. I also think it's a leap to accuse Ba of an ego-trip. Emotions are charged and in the heat of the moment, you make snap decisions and it's why at the administrative level (FIFA, UEFA, etc.) these discussions are important and they need to go beyond the lip service and marketing we see - the knee before matches, etc. These are flippant. There's a need to understand viewpoints, cultures, etc. if this type of misunderstandings are to be overcome
 

American_Gooner

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Arsenal fans are well acquainted with the frustration of dropped points, individual mistakes leading to goals and a lack of decisive quality in the final third, all aspects of their home draw with Crystal Palace on Monday night. One historically unfamiliar theme though, was how Patrick Vieira's team were able to sustain long periods of possession under little stress.

Whatever else you can say of Arsenal over the past decade or more, the Emirates Stadium is not a venue the vast majority of opponents expect to arrive at and dictate play. Worryingly for Mikel Arteta, that is changing, and now it is Crystal Palace rather than Barcelona who are monopolising the football on Arsenal turf, aided by the home team's light touch approach out of possession.

Arsenal's lack of assurance with the ball after taking the lead was the target of Arteta's post-match ire. "We had no composure on the ball, we started to give the ball away too easily," the Arsenal manager said. "We didn't have any sequences in our passes, we wanted to attack in one or two passes and the distances were too big."


Arteta is right to highlight Arsenal's ball retention problem. Too often we try to separate how a team attacks and defends for the purposes of analysis, when in reality there is a symbiosis between both phases. A team who struggles to keep the ball and kicks long will not be in position to press, and a team who cannot regain possession quickly will struggle to have much possession of their own.

The sore point for Arteta though, is that a team's work out of possession is a more telling reflection of their coach than their quality with the ball. A stray pass, a scuffed shot or a botched counter-attack; these can be matters of individual talent and quality - or isolated errors - and Arteta is not working with Arsenal players of the same calibre as previous vintages. Having a plan to win the ball back and pressure opponents into mistakes though, does not rely on player quality to the same extent. When this aspect of the game is lacking, the spotlight shines on the coaching.

In short, Arsenal are a pretty passive defensive unit. This caution helped them record the third-best defensive record in the Premier League last season, staying in their shell to ensure a creaking David Luiz and less than fleeted-footed centre-halves such as Pablo Mari and Rob Holding were not exposed. Having a decent defensive record is only a necessary component of being a team at the right end of the table though, it is not a sufficient one.

The responsibility on Arteta this season was to make Arsenal a more dominant team with increased attacking productivity, while trying to keep the goals against column roughly the same. He is still grappling with the task.

Positive starts have been a theme, like the opening 15 minutes against Palace when Arsenal completed 93 passes to Palace's 34, 11 in the attacking third to their one and did not allow their opponents a shot on goal. Between 15 and 30 minutes though, Palace completed 109 passes to Arsenal's 47 including 14 in the attacking third, and in the final 17 minutes of the half including stoppage time it was 107 completed passes to Arsenal's 38 with 25 in the attacking third to Arsenal's two.

Completed passes by Palace midfielders James McArthur and Luka Milivojevic between 15th minute and half time​

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During these passages, Palace were able to complete their passes at a rate of around 90 per cent, indicating their degree of comfort. So far this Premier League season, only Norwich City and Watford have won possession in the middle third of the pitch on fewer occasions than Arsenal. Those same two relegation battlers are also the only teams to allow opponents more passes per defensive action than Arsenal's 16.1. Only four teams have recorded fewer pressed sequences - which Opta defines as passages of play where the opposition team have had three passes or fewer that ended within 40 metres of their own goal - although one of them is league leaders Chelsea.

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It is not that Arsenal's attackers are lazy or that they do not press at all. They 10th in the league for high turnovers won, and are actually tied-fifth along with Chelsea for total presses. But once that initial burst of energy high up the pitch is broken, there is not much of a second wave to keep opponents penned in their half. Arsenal tend to retreat quite swiftly.

The unwillingness to engage more aggressively is all the more strange given that Arsenal, one or two positions aside perhaps, look to finally have the personnel to hunt teams down. Aaron Ramsdale is willing to come off his line and be bold with his starting position, central defenders Ben White and Gabriel are fast athletes, there is greater mobility in central midfield without Granit Xhaka and there are young legs in Martin Ødegaard, Emile Smith Rowe and Bukayo Saka. Full-backs Kieran Tierney and Takehiro Tomiyasu have bite and do not shirk a challenge. And while Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang is not a natural presser, he is fast enough to unsettle defenders and has been putting a shift in.

Recovering the ball higher up could also help Arsenal gain a couple of 'free' shots or chances per game and increase their attacking volume. Their attackers thrive in open spaces when opponents are exposed in transition, but because so many Arsenal attacks start from so deep, they are asked to be part of very considered, methodical periods of possession play. When one of those back-to-front passing moves comes off it looks wonderful, but they are by their nature difficult to execute with regularity.

Taking a broader view, greater attention to pressing would also suit Arsenal's stature and budget. While they were the league's biggest spenders last summer, Arsenal under their current owners are not going to buy a squad of off-the-peg talent to rival the Manchester clubs or Chelsea. If you have - at best - the fifth most talented group of players and have aspirations to finish higher, then you need to find a way to punch above your weight. Making the opposition's life hell when they have the ball is one such way, and while it requires appropriate recruitment it need not be expensive. Just look at what Liverpool have extracted from Jordan Henderson, James Milner and Georginio Wijnaldum; very good players all, but not considered in the elite bracket as reflected by the transfer fees paid.

Arteta would likely respond that Arsenal cannot organise themselves into the right structure to press if they do not build play accurately themselves, but one can beget the other. By neglecting off-the-ball pressure, Arsenal's manager is leaving some quick gains on the table at just the time he needs them.
 
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