Mikel Arteta: Miktoria Concordia Crexit

DanDare

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Really don't think we have much hope. Club management structure is relatively cheap to institute compared to transfer fees and can save you so much in bad deals. Yet we've gone with a load of incompetents

Kroenke hasn't figured this out.
 

Rimaal

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Don't know what's worse.

Giving Willian a contract that demands he play a certain number of games, or the fact I would believe we would be dumb enough to do it.

Surely we wouldn't have agreed to that ffs?

It's not unusual to see such a clause in a player's contract, especially when the player is in demand (Arteta "convinced" Willian to come to Arsenal). For example, I'm sure Balogun will have such a clause in his contract.
 

Rimaal

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If that is the case, and I sure as hell hope it isn’t, the person who agreed to it should be sacked on the spot. Think I never have heard of a more stupid clause than that. So not only is the player guaranteed the salary but we are punished further by him playing poorly. This is just so stupid I refuse to believe anyone could have agreed to this. It’s like some perverse reverse bonus structure. The worse you are the more you are paid. Wish my employer would agree to something like that!

After the way we treated Özil and Saliba, you can bet your sweet arse players will be demanding such a clause in their contracts with Arsenal. I certainly would.
 

dashsnow17

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He thinks too much, he needs some of that simple stupidity that Solskjaer has. Just play Auba up front and Pepe out wide, like we wouldn't be winning the league with that but it'd be better than this.

Like if i'm a defender and I have to play against Auba and Pepe like yeah they will lose the ball and we could go and score, but i'm also worried about them, cos they can run at me. I'm not worried playing Lacazette and Willian, cos like, what can they actually do to me?

Solskjaer would have this squad in 5-6th, not cos he's a genius, just cos he'd do the simple stuff.
 

Rasmi

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He thinks too much, he needs some of that simple stupidity that Solskjaer has. Just play Auba up front and Pepe out wide, like we wouldn't be winning the league with that but it'd be better than this.

Like if i'm a defender and I have to play against Auba and Pepe like yeah they will lose the ball and we could go and score, but i'm also worried about them, cos they can run at me. I'm not worried playing Lacazette and Willian, cos like, what can they actually do to me?

Solskjaer would have this squad in 5-6th, not cos he's a genius, just cos he'd do the simple stuff.
Simplicity is never stupid. Solskjaer in his defence has years of experience of managing Arteta simply don’t have. Arteta suffers from what a lot of arrogant people who think they are smarter than they actually are suffers from. They always make things complicated to show how smart they are
 

CaseUteinberger

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After the way we treated Özil and Saliba, you can bet your sweet arse players will be demanding such a clause in their contracts with Arsenal. I certainly would.
Unless you can post some reputable outside source stating this I refuse to believe that anyone in charge of a PL football club recruitment would be stupid enough (even if that is Arsenal) to agree to such a clause. It makes absolutely no sense from the club's perspective. Such a clause basically rewards poor performances.

I don't want to start an argument. I am just baffled that is all.
 

yorch44

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3 explanations:

1- Arteta really rates Willian so he keeps playing him.
2- There is a contractual clause that compels Arteta to play him.
3- Arteta is complicit in whatever deal was struck.
Actually I think is a combination of 3.
 

CaseUteinberger

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Auclair was intimating that there was a bonus for appearances from which Kia took a commission.
This makes more sense than the other suggestion (penalty for us for not playing him). If there is a bonus for more appearances we should simply not play him. Save ourselves poor performances and money. Seems like an easy decision. The fact that actually the reverse is happening worries me.
 

yorch44

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Unless you can post some reputable outside source stating this I refuse to believe that anyone in charge of a PL football club recruitment would be stupid enough (even if that is Arsenal) to agree to such a clause. It makes absolutely no sense from the club's perspective. Such a clause basically rewards poor performances.

I don't want to start an argument. I am just baffled that is all.
Are you kidding me? Clauses which include certain quantity of games are usual in football. There are clauses from goals, minutes played, penalties for not playing games, bonuses for playing. A contract literally could add.any clause you want.

But players getting certain quantity of games is a thing. More if you are wanted for the manager or by many teams.
 

yorch44

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This makes more sense than the other suggestion (penalty for us for not playing him). If there is a bonus for more appearances we should simply not play him. Save ourselves poor performances and money. Seems like an easy decision. The fact that actually the reverse is happening worries me.
Clauses like... If I don't play I receive 30K it's supper common. Even in loans, usually the team which loan a player not only pays the salary but gets penalised with money if they don't use the player. What I think is you only don't know enough about that stuff.
 

CaseUteinberger

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Are you kidding me? Clauses which include certain quantity of games are usual in football. There are clauses from goals, minutes played, penalties for not playing games, bonuses for playing. A contract literally could add.any clause you want.

But players getting certain quantity of games is a thing. More if you are wanted for the manager or by many teams.
Yes, but they would be performance bonuses, would they not? Not reverse performance bonuses meaning you are paid more for being **** which is what was stated.

Can you find me a source stating that football clubs have such clauses would be great. Doesn't have to be Wall Street Journal or Times, Guardian will do... 😉
 

CaseUteinberger

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Clauses like... If I don't play I receive 30K it's supper common. Even in loans, usually the team which loan a player not only pays the salary but gets penalised with money if they don't use the player. What I think is you only don't know enough about that stuff.
But those clauses would then be offset by other performance targets not being reached, would they not?

Look, I don't want to have an argument with you. Better we stop posting then.
 

Malky

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It's in Willian's contract that he plays a certain number of games or the club pays a penalty, I would assume.
It’s either that or Arteta’s ego not allowing him to admit his signing is a complete failure.
Guaranteed it’s one of those reasons, maybe a mix of both.
 

Rimaal

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Unless you can post some reputable outside source stating this I refuse to believe that anyone in charge of a PL football club recruitment would be stupid enough (even if that is Arsenal) to agree to such a clause. It makes absolutely no sense from the club's perspective. Such a clause basically rewards poor performances.

I don't want to start an argument. I am just baffled that is all.

I won't argue with you. I can't prove it because player contracts are not in the public domain. They are confidential documents. Whether you believe it or not is of little moment to me, frankly, but keep in mind there are many ways to frame such clauses and they would vary greatly in advantage to either party depending on the player and the club in question. It could stipulate minutes of play per season, or min number of starts, or simply a min number of times the player features, or perhaps the stipulation only applying to Euro games, or whatever. The club could then put its own caveats on the clause... etc.

It's a contract and therefor a negotiation where both parties will try to gain an advantage.
 

rich 1990

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You're literally arguing against things that have actually happened?🤣🤣

This is like you disagreeing with me after telling you that I flipped a coin ten times and got heads five times.🤣
XG is saying it's a 1 in 2 chance. It's a one on one with an open goal ffs. Stop trying to impress people with your horse **** theories. Use your eyes and not computers.
 

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