Mikel Arteta: Miktoria Concordia Crexit

bingobob

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Only a matter of time before we start seeing Arteta fans clamouring for Saka to be upgrade because 'hE's nOT gOOd eNOugH'


If the whole team is out of form, then you blame the Manager. Simple as that.
What happens when the team has been out of form for 4 or 5 seasons under 3 different managers, 2 of whom broke spending records? That to me says recruitment and players have been the problem the managers have been the ones picking up the pieces.
 

bingobob

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Yeah that time when there were planes, booing etc and the man finished a couple points off top 4.

Wenger without fan pressure would easily have this team in top 4 and not complaining about not having players who are good enough.

22 years with sub par squads and investment.

Emery did better than Arteta, Wenger would have done significantly better than both. Were not even in the top 10 and people making excuses when Wenger was hanged over missing out on his own consistency.
I can't even be bothered breaking this down.
 

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What happens when the team has been out of form for 4 or 5 seasons under 3 different managers, 2 of whom broke spending records? That to me says recruitment and players have been the problem the managers have been the ones picking up the pieces.

Players and managers can both be an issue, I don't know why it's framed as an either or debate on here.
 

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This is all going the same way as frank at chelsea. In the end frank had to blood youth because he couldnt motivate and rely on senior players. That youth only kept him in a job for so long. I didnt want arteta to start off with, how does someone like luiz who has won everything listen to arteta. I dont see how arteta can command the respect of the senior players. This is a big big job that should have a big big name. We need a manager who the players respect because of who they are and what they have achieved.

If he flops the EL then he has to go. The 9 teams above us in the league will strengthen and the gap between us and city and pool will be massive. If we sign 3 top players this summer we are still trying to fight for the 4th place if arteta cannot manage the players there(which is likely).

IMO not just the end of this season but next could define if we will be mid table for a long period. The world is about to bounce back from a pandemic, money will get thrown around but the PL like crazy as they need to attract people more than ever. FFP will likely be suspended for a while. PL clubs will spend and the budget they have and what we have wont be far off.

If allegri(or a manager of that calibre) wants to come then we should make the change as quickly as possible.
 

Makingtrax

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Accept that time when he fell out of top 4 with a better side.

Yeah it's shocking that he either doesn't know it or is relying on training way too much. He needs to stick his best 11 out every week and stop with the rotation.
:lol: :lol: This is the best squad and the most money we’ve spent in years and we’re 10th.

Criticising previous managers for missing out on top 4 with the fans on their backs or worse squads isn’t even relevant to the mess we’re now in, or the terrible football we’ve been seeing.
 

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Every time I watch Leeds, I think Bielsa would be perfect for Arsenal. He gets them playing some great football and they’ve got average players.
Love to see a manager with a lower team really going for it. Leeds are 5th in ‘xG for’ table, really creating chances with some Championship level players.

Imagine that. Newly promoted and they’re level on points Arsenal :lol:
 

bingobob

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Players and managers can both be an issue, I don't know why it's framed as an either or debate on here.
100% there are things I believe Arteta can do better. The main one being playing what he perceives to be his best 11. But the players haven't been good enough under Wenger or Emery and now Arteta. Massive issue is poor recruitment and wasted money. The polar opposite in that regard is Leicester. Fantastic recruitment and now they've a fantastic manager extracting the maximum from those players.
 

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What happens when the team has been out of form for 4 or 5 seasons under 3 different managers, 2 of whom broke spending records? That to me says recruitment and players have been the problem the managers have been the ones picking up the pieces.

Half of the players here are the ones that the new manager(s) wanted.

Willian, Mari, Luiz, Cedric etc weren't here under Wenger. I can't remember if Leno was and can't be bothered to check but he probably was.

The only starters who've played under Wenger are Bellerin, Lacazette, Xhaka and Aubameyang (6 months). The only disciple out of that lot is Bellerin.
 

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Every time I watch Leeds, I think Bielsa would be perfect for Arsenal. He gets them playing some great football and they’ve got average players.
Bielsa only works well with lesser players because they’re willing to run and run in training as well as every game. Try that here with our over paid wankers and he’ll walk after a month in charge.
 

bingobob

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Half of the players here are the ones that the new manager(s) wanted.

Willian, Mari, Luiz, Cedric etc weren't here under Wenger. I can't remember if Leno was and can't be bothered to check but he probably was.

The only starters who've played under Wenger are Bellerin, Lacazette, Xhaka and Aubameyang (6 months). The only disciple out of that lot is Bellerin.
So that's 4 players in an 11 man team. Thats a sizeable amount of players.

The point about Wenger is one that the team has been in decline since the end of his tenure. As evidenced by our league position in his last seasons. So to whoever said when the whole squad is average you look at the manager. Yes maybe in isolation if we went from being great to suddenly poor (like Celtic under Lennon). But when the team has been declining season on season and changing managers hasnt improved fortunes the logical answer is that the squad isn't good enough.
For a squad that's on Champions League wages that isn't good enough. The squad is still bloated, padded out with average players.

Should Arteta have sold AMN and others at the time, yes. Should Arteta be picking his best 11 and stop with the rotation, absolutely! But these are minor issues. The big picture is the squad management has been awful. That's not something that can be resolved over night by bringing in Pep or Klopp or peak Wenger. Liverpool spent a decade in and out of the top 4 places before getting it right. Maybe we will be the same. But whatever the journey is we have to be patient to avoid repeating costly mistakes.
 

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What happens when the team has been out of form for 4 or 5 seasons under 3 different managers, 2 of whom broke spending records? That to me says recruitment and players have been the problem the managers have been the ones picking up the pieces.
So 10th is our true level?

No one is saying we should be challenging for top four ffs. At least we should be in the top six. The teams ahead of us in the table, most of us won't even want their players here ffs.

How many West Ham players are good enough to start here or even Leicester but their manager has them playing above their true level. A good manager should make a team better than the sum of it's part. We've seen Poch do it. Klopp did it with pool. Howe did it with a team filled with championship Journeymen.

There's no mental gymnastics that can convince me this squad isn't a top 6 team.
 

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So 10th is our true level?

No one is saying we should be challenging for top four ffs. At least we should be in the top six. The teams ahead of us in the table, most of us won't even want their players here ffs.

How many West Ham players are good enough to start here or even Leicester but their manager has them playing above their true level. A good manager should make a team better than the sum of it's part. We've seen Poch do it. Klopp did it with pool. Howe did it with a team filled with championship Journeymen.

There's no mental gymnastics that can convince me this squad isn't a top 6 team.
Bang on. FWIW I think a good manager has us top 4 this season with the options we have. It would be a fight obviously but with the inconsistencies the rest of the top 10 have shown we'd easily be there or thereabouts.

Harping back to Wenger again but he did it so many times over the years that he's almost become underrated at this point because of a few bad years at the end. In his prime he'd have easily gotten top 4 in this particular season, maybe even top 2 or 3.
 

TakeChillPill

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I've said from the start this season, we've gone for a young manager to sort out a lot of ****, and root cause issues, especially around the culture of the club, these things take time.

If we wanted a quick fix, we should've just gone for ancelloti, but we haven't.

Every analyst can see what arteta is trying to do, we've had some really good moments this season and last, winning the fa cup beating Sp**s, utd, Chelsea. I'm confident we're going to get our **** together and beat Slavia Prague on Thursday.

We have the biggest summer transfer window probably in our history which will make or break the club. I really hope we get the right players and not a big series of mistakes like...Laca, xhaka, mustafi, kola, Willian, Luiz and gunnersaurs.
 

bingobob

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So 10th is our true level?

No one is saying we should be challenging for top four ffs. At least we should be in the top six. The teams ahead of us in the table, most of us won't even want their players here ffs.

How many West Ham players are good enough to start here or even Leicester but their manager has them playing above their true level. A good manager should make a team better than the sum of it's part. We've seen Poch do it. Klopp did it with pool. Howe did it with team filled with championship Journeymen.
I've no idea what the true level is. The league below the top is as competitive as its ever been. You've City and Liverpool normally in a league of their own and then below that us, United, Chelsea, Leicester and Sp**s are fighting for the remaining 2 spots. 5 does not go into 2. You've got Everton as well who are pushing for European places.

As for West Ham let's see them keep this level up when fans are back.
 

Makingtrax

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We are sitting at 11th place in EPL. Last clean sheet we had in EL, it was against Dundalk many months ago.

All the people who are mentioning Wenger, Emery, Arteta and comparing them, while trying to validate Arteta should receive clown tag.

Arteta is in his own failures stratosphere.
Only just realised we’re 11th. We’ve got some pretty easy matches coming up. Expecting us to get up to 8th even with this guy in charge.
 

Trilly

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You're actually more draining than Makingtrax now man.

I couldn't give a **** about what Pepe did in France. Hes been poor In England and his dribbling is nowhere near as good as Neto's who actually beats his man. Get a grip please.
Silly guy, conveniently ignoring the fact that I said in Europe, Neto plays in Europe too you know?

Arguing against actual facts at your big age. Embarrassing.
 

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The club is making a loss, we had to re-finance the debt to buy Partey. The club has backed Arteta to the hilt and we’re in the bottom half of the table in April.

And the league has been the easiest for years, no baying away crowds, Chelsea struggling with Lampard, Liverpool burnt out and full of injuries, and Mourinho making a mess of Sp**s. Even Moyes has managed to get into the top 4. :lol:
 

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