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Edu is saying he has spoken to Wenger about coming back.
I think enough time has past for Arsène to return & be respected but ok maybe to be sure wait a little longer for any remaining numpties?I wish that were true but football fans are emotional and unreasonable. Just last weekend Brighton fans were booing Potter for not winning a game. A club that has no business competing for European places but the fans aren’t happy in 9th place and one point off the Conference league. Football fans are entitled and problematic and Wenger has outgrown the need to satisfy them.
Edu is saying he has spoken to Wenger about coming back.
I have heard this argument but Ole wasn’t shielded by Ferguson for long, they had a pretty good season last year. I don’t think anyone in the fan base want Arteta back after the money spent if results don’t improve dramatically over last year and we aren’t into the Europa league at the least. It just seems sad to me that after 20 years, that a state of animosity should exist. If Arteta bombs it this year no one is going to blame Wenger or think that Wenger can shield him. He isn’t managing now so what would be terrible about a board seat and a big title with his help promoting the club or providing advice. Arteta will be judged on his own results just like any manager.Come back to do what? Wenger is absolutely not coming back to be Arteta and Edu's underling. If they need his advice they can get it without him having a formal role. If they want Wenger back just to be a shield for them like Ferguson shielded Ole then it is already proven that fans will not hesitate to torch Wenger when things go wrong enough, so that is a terrible idea.
I have heard this argument but Ole wasn’t shielded by Ferguson for long, they had a pretty good season last year. I don’t think anyone in the fan base want Arteta back after the money spent if results don’t improve dramatically over last year and we aren’t into the Europa league at the least. It just seems sad to me that after 20 years, that a state of animosity should exist. If Arteta bombs it this year no one is going to blame Wenger or think that Wenger can shield him. He isn’t managing now so what would be terrible about a board seat and a big title with his help promoting the club or providing advice. Arteta will be judged on his own results just like any manager.
Ok but I don’t think anyone will blame him if he isn’t buying the players or managing. That is my point, Arteta and Edu have the power and responsibility no one is going to absolve them if Wenger has a board seat. And as a board member he technically isn’t Arteta or Edu’s underling. If he doesn’t want it that is fine as well. I think he could be a great ambassador and salesman for the club. Not much different than job he has now for FIFA but with the added prestige of being on the board. If Ferguson couldn’t shield Ole why are people worried about that here? Our fans get a lot of hate for being entitled and fickle, but we have all stuck with the team through thick and thin despite really a ****ty decade and a half and I think they are smart enough to know that if the results go south it’s Mikel’s head on the block.That's why Wenger should freaking stay away from the club. No good will come from him coming back to some formal role, people will still blame him to some degree when things go wrong. People will be asking why Wenger isn't pushing for Arteta to be sacked when we are in a deep red run, asking what the heck he is doing in his board role. Look at fans ****ting on Edu and Josh, why would things be different with Wenger?
Do you have a source on that? I've never heard Wenger speak about their communication before.There was a bit last season where Arteta claimed he spoke to Wenger for advice regularly and Wenger came out and said he hadn’t spoke to Arteta since he was at the club. So, yeah that was a thing.
Think you made some excellent points in there tbf - this is all about expectations. It's not right or wrong. Wenger lost support because his teams were not improving; Arteta gains support because his team looks like it is getting better. It's unfair in absolute terms but that's just football. Leicester fans are going to kick off if they get mid table; Leeds are considering sacking Bielsa. Football is a tough game and teams are always striving to be number one, even if that means forgetting that that grass can be greener...I think enough time has past for Arsène to return & be respected but ok maybe to be sure wait a little longer for any remaining numpties?
99% of the negative emotional response from fans is usually towards the incumbent manager or board tbh.
You only have to browse twitter, any football forum (including this one) to know basically as a manager you dont win every game playing beautiful football people want you sacked.
it is this type of entitled mentality of the deluded modern fans that infuriates me the most.
This has always gone on to some extent, even pre internet its just that managers used to get more time.
The rumour was Ferguson almost got potted at Man U after around 3 years? He didnt & went on to be their most successful manager ever.
No way he would get that time in the current climate.
As a football manager you are lucky to get a few months without idiots baying for your blood nowadays.
I am always prepared to give managers time to build unless its a disaster.
Fact is by the very nature of the sport at any one time only so many teams can be doing really well.
Problem is the more successful you are the more entitled the fans feel.
Look at Sp**s who have finished above us for 5 years after being meh & bang average for like 50!
Poch does great stuff for a number of years with a youngish team, largely on the back of Kane & Son & he has good league finishes & gets to a champs league final. (although it has to be said little actual silverware)
They have a brand new stadium & the fans start thinking/expecting they are going to win trophies & are established top 4.
They think they have steamed past us & are gonna stay compering with the big boys.
What they dont actually realise is how hard it is to stay at that level and compete with Man C, Chelsea, Liverpool & Man U etc year in year out.
They are now on their 4th manager since Poch.
Everyone agrees Conte is an absolutely elite level manager. Many wanted him here.
He should certainly be able to finish above us with a rookie at the helm.
they have done so consistently for the last 5 years tbf.
However you cannot say he guarantees them top 4 again.
If he finishes 5th are their now entitled fans gonna be happy?
Sorry rant over. Its just i see a very good manager in potter raising expectations but then having to deal with the entitled fans mentality.
You paint a grim picture of football fans but the sad thing is, you're probably right.That's why Wenger should freaking stay away from the club. No good will come from him coming back to some formal role, people will still blame him to some degree when things go wrong. People will be asking why Wenger isn't pushing for Arteta to be sacked when we are in a deep red run, asking what the heck he is doing in his board role. Look at fans ****ting on Edu and Josh, why would things be different with Wenger?
I think it was not the social media rant or planes that made them do it. It was the empty seats at the stadium. Even when the planes were out, they were silent. The moment we had lots of empty seats, they had to act. It hit them where it hurt. In the end, it's all about revenue for them. If we want them to do something, protests are not going to help. Just don't turn up to the stadium.I mean not to get in my Trax bag, but I am pretty sure planes, trains & social media rants had quite a bit to do with it. In combination with the boardroom politicking of course.
Furthermore we had never seen those results and league finishes under Wenger before. Literally became untenable and KSE we're quite clearly pushed into this rather than genuine ambition or anything like that.
On the basis of what?We've got such a petty and vindictive fanbase.
I assume we're all Arsenal fans here first and foremost? Therefore we want the club to succeed both on field and off field.
If Arsène came back in some capacity would that be to the betterment of the club as a whole? Undoubtedly yes and it would help right some wrongs the club made in the process and hopefully heal some wounds.
I was Wenger in till the end. I couldn't give a toss who wanted him out back then. I'm not interested in punishing those fans who did or making his potential return about Arteta or Kroenke.
It's up to Arsène If he wants to come back. I'd understand if he didn't but any sane Arsenal fan should want him back in the fold because it would make our club better.
Oh come on. You seriously can't be comparing the ambitions of Arsenal and Brighton. Arsenal are the third biggest club in England, the biggest club in London and top 10 club in world football in terms of fanbase size, trophies and revenue. Arsenal should NEVER be a midtable club. Brighton have more relegations than trophies. It doesn't matter what Potter is doing, realistically speaking they are massively overachieving. They're in 9th and currently above Leicester, Villa, Palace, Everton and they're level on points with Man Utd. All those teams can easily outspend Brighton with ease. Brighton SHOULD be content to still be in the PL. Of course they should aspire to be more but they have to be realistic with the resources they have.Brighton does have business competing for European places, the way the talent of the manager raises the level of the team makes them aware of that. They have seen the improvement and know the standard has elevated, to a point they can dream with that kind of stuff because what they see every week gives them enough evidence. Someone that can shoot on target seems to be the only missing piece.
They boo for the same reason a lot of people here accept the horrors of Mikel Arteta as if we were a team that "has business" being midtable, basically.