Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by OnlyOne, Dec 20, 2019.
Retrospect is great isn't it.
Nobody is hating on Arteta. Some of us are just not being deceived by what some call drastic improvement when in fact theres not a lot to show that things have improved that much.
The games we have played have been winnable and we have led in them however bad mistakes have cost us. People can blame var or refs and that is an influence but this team is good enough to win at home to likes of Sheffield. Away is different.
Surprised at how quickly we’ve seen an improvement in defence, thought it was going to be the other way.
Fine margins between winning and drawing. Chelsea, Palace and Sheffield could easily have been wins if not for the lack of VAR being applied correctly or deflections.
You can say that we shouldn’t need these to win games but the fact is that we’re a low confidence side trying to rebuild. You need these things to go in your favour.
Imagine how much confidence could be in the side right now if Jorginho gets sent off at 1-0 and we go on to win.
Or if Pepe gets the penalty call and we win 2-0.
I have a lot of patience for Arteta.
The points we've been dropping now, I know I used to be furious when Emery often dropped points from winning positions.
But with Arteta, there is a visible improvement in our tactical planning. He has a lot of things to improve and get rid of the rut that has set itself deep during the disastrous Emery era.
Starting with improving the physical preparedness of our team, as they're gassed out so quick in second half.
Whilst I don't disagree, please check Sheffield United league position, they are not there by accident.
I totally agree we should have been winning by more before then, but again, please remember this is Emerys team, with injuries and just ~a month in.
This is what I mean. We're so close and have (frankly) been robbed and unlucky.
Again, this is what I'm saying - you can see the improvements to fitness but it takes time...does anyone remember Klopps first season at Liverpool? I'm not saying he's the next Klopp, just that we need to understand, this season is a write-off and next season we can start to form a better idea.
Think there's a personnel issue in that the squad has no real chemistry. Like a puzzle with pieces that don't fit. That's the main problem with the squad. Lopsided. Imbalanced.
What about Watford, Everton, Newcastle even West Ham under Moyes they have all seen a noticeable and very obvious improvement in results. However we are still drawing games that we should be winning.
And as every week passes the opportunity to finish higher in the league passes. When are we as a club gonna grab a few games by the balls and win while the others around us drop points?
yeah free passes just doesn’t make sense, Arteta should be judged on what he can do this season too..
Ok, so it's Artetas fault that VAR is screwing us over? Have you seen Mike Deans stats? Someone mentioned 5 pens in 20 years!
Personally I've seen an improvement in the team, results - well as I said, without VAR we'd be doing better...and we did beat Manure in a must win match and (FWIW) Emery's last 7 games saw no wins and we've already seen 2 in less...
Well yes, sorry you feel we're no better - most pundits seem to think otherwise.
Because Arteta still has to learn the ropes of being a top-level manager, but he seems to possess the right profile of someone who can lead us back to the top whilst providing attractive, attacking-based football for the fans, judging by the praise he received for his contributions as an assistent at Man City's (from Pep Guardiola and some of their players alike).
Obviously, being a head-coach is a completely different animal than being an assistant, and he has to be held accountable to some degree. But then again, I don't actually expect us to finish 9th place three times in a row, so that part of what I wrote was a bit of hyperbole on my behalf, and to be taken with a grain of salt.
There are just a lot of things to be optimistic about with Mikel. But, and I might sound quite like a pessimist for saying this: I in fact am genuinely expecting a few rough-patch seasons ahead for us, looking at the current state of our squad; varying from deadwood players and talented youngsters to some solid contributors and overpaid stars. So naturally it will take a while for us to become a top-4 challenging side again. And I hope our fans are ready to accept us underperforming relative to historic expectations, and let's not put all of the blame on the manager if things do go south, or not excellent soon enough to our liking. Because in my view, the most important thing we need right now as a club is stability and a strong dressing room culture, and keeping our manager on board is an integral part of that vision.
All of this goes for a pretty short-term window however, of around 3 seasons. After that it's free hunting season because by then he would have been given proper time to mold the squad to his wishes.
Lastly, Arteta has witnessed up close the mentality it takes to be a top club in recent times. He also carries some of Arsène's gentlemanly DNA with him, which is the type of personality I want our gaffer to possess.
So, to summarize, I rate Arteta very highly and I want him to become a legendary manager for us. But I don't want to set unrealistic measures of success for him in the short run. His profile convinced the board (and myself) that he was the right man to lead the ship sailing to success for us. So, lets back the man and trust the process for a while, and let us as not get impatient and hostile as fans because we probably won't be the second coming of Man City by the year 2023.
Whether Arteta succeeds is dependant on the backing he gets from the board with transfers and dealings.
I've seen enough of Arteta and like him that much I'm willing to give him 2-3 seasons to develop as manager. I think he will become very good manager.
But its all pointless if we keep having same transfers windows as the last 5 windows.
Remember we only had something like a 5% win rate with him as a ref between 06/14. Bearing in mind we usually finished each season with a 60% win rate. Very strange all that. But realistically all these blinking refs have it in for us. Only way to nullify this impartiality is to out blast other teams to avoid the ineptitude of refs/var.
Those stats are damming. 72 games is a statistically relevant sample. He clearly is biased against us. Not that one needed to know those stats to draw that conclusion. God I cannot stand him as a referee.
He will try his best to not make us win. Honestly think he is actively and consciously trying to make us lose if he can. Pepe penalty not given is a clear example. If that had been us doing this in our penalty box he would have given it no question whatsoever.
Arteta trying his best not to laugh into his face because of his 1 goal in 20 games.
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