Mikel Arteta: New Arsenal Head Coach

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by OnlyOne, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. RunTheTrap

    RunTheTrap Well-Known Member

    I agree but if we are looking to build for Future then we should doing our best to integrate it sooner than later. While it is true that Xhaka and Torreira are our best option now. I can't help but think its the lowest in terms of quality to our top 6 rivals, plus we have one of the least viable options on the bench.

    I think Torreria is alright but he's closer in talent to Coquelin than Kante and I don't feel as if he has a very high ceiling. As for Xhaka, this has been the best form we have seen from since the shift to 5 at the back. I love that Arteta has done with him, i like how hes minimised the space he operates, shifting him to be an auxiliary left back in build up helps us massively. But I'm concerned that teams will figure out a way to combate this like they did with the 5 at back. Xhaka has too many faults to be a starter for a top 4 side, no matter how much he has improved.

    I know Guendouzi has the worse potential sense but he clearly has more to his game than Torreira and I believe he has a higher ceiling than Xhaka. Emery preferred Guendouzi to Torreria and I think in time Arteta will value Guendo more. I think Xhaka needs an external replacement though.
  2. avalonhse

    avalonhse Well-Known Member

    It is quite common in AM if a young one has a bad season, then he is said to be worse potential. I think we misuse the word "potential" than "capability" a lot.

    One or two years ago, everyone said Guendouzi is potentially world-class. Now they said he is garbage and should be sold ASAP. That's unbelievable for the changed judgement.

    Please remember that both Torreria and Guendouzi has been mismanaged last 2 years. Their ability may be regressed yes, but their potential are still there. It's different.

    On the other side, this Bitcoin hype now turns to Martinelli. Everyone said he will be world class, same as what happened to Guendouzi and Iwobi in the past. Some even mentioned Ronaldo da Lima in Martinelli thread, which is incomprehensible to me.
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  3. ksarp

    ksarp Well-Known Member

    You can't be serious, bruh.
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  4. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    Don't forget Mustafi.:eek:
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  5. RunTheTrap

    RunTheTrap Well-Known Member

    I am, I believe he has more to his game than Torreira.
  6. scytheavatar

    scytheavatar Well-Known Member

    Explain to me, what exactly does Guendouzi have in his game? What does he do better than most midfielders of his age range? He doesn't defend well, isn't physically imposing, is not a playmaker, is guilty of dwelling on the ball for too long...... he's just the second coming of Denilson. He looks good because he is surrounded by players who are not better than him.

    Torreira to me is a worse version of Coquelin, but at the very least he has some value.
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  7. Ashybashy86

    Ashybashy86 Well-Known Member

    He's a much better passer than Coquelin. I'll just say Guendouzi is good for his age, but there is so much about the way he plays that I do not like.
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  8. field442

    field442 Hates Journalists Named James

  9. Riou

    Riou Nostalgia Merchant

    Coquelin getting some, sort of praise, here...

    ...love me some Coq :drool:
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  10. Oxeki

    Oxeki Well-Known Member

    Of course he's made a difference. Anyone denying it is a troll.

    We haven't been this defensively solid since I can remember.

    It has obviously taken the sting out of our attack.

    Our biggest issues to address this summer is our attack and CM
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  11. ksarp

    ksarp Well-Known Member

    No he does not. He has a lower IQ, and a real lack of spatial awareness.
  12. Jasard

    Jasard Forum Issue Troubleshooter

    Feel for him with our attack, as he fixed the technical / tactical issues of defense but attack has mental / confidence issues and there's only so much he can do to help there. Doesn't help that some of them are so mentally fragile if he drops them he kills them.
  13. ksarp

    ksarp Well-Known Member

    It's a process, first stem the tide, then work through the issues. There is no magic pill. The positional issues were a big deal. Now we'll always have 5 in defensive transition, enough to thwart a counter..something Unai didn't have the intelligence to.

    Next we work further up. If you watched our last game, we were just unlucky with finishing. Chances were there, it will only get better. Again, TRUST THE PROCESS.
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  14. truth_hurts

    truth_hurts Well-Known Member

    So Arteta has sorted our defence, but killed our attack? Give me Emery's five goals at Anfield!

    I'm joking. However, I have no faith in Arteta getting us back into the champions league. I think he's too cautious, but with this being his first job I get why.

    We work hard and press more, but we still don't have an identity.
  15. celestis

    celestis Arsenal-Mania Veteran Moderator

    It's ridiculous the difference he has made , the attacking part will take a little time more considering the emphasis on defensive stability ,
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  16. celestis

    celestis Arsenal-Mania Veteran Moderator

    That just takes time imo , yup we should address this in the market , however I do think there is 5-10 percent upside in our current attack .
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  17. Oxeki

    Oxeki Well-Known Member

    That's why we need to break up that attack.

    We need to sell Laca to raise funds.

    We need to also sell Auba (if he doesn't pen a new contract) Also we need a goalscoring winger.

    So all in all, we need a LW, CF and a CM

    Our defense is the least of our worries. We already have one of the best defensive record in the league since Arteta came in
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  18. TornadoTed

    TornadoTed Well-Known Member

    I totally agree about the defence being the least of our worries. I always felt that all we really needed was a system and good coaching to sort our defence out. We have already had a big overhaul with Sokratis, Luiz, Saliba, Mari, Kolasinac and Tierney joining in the last 2 years and we will have another in Summer 2021 when Luiz and Sokratis contracts expire.

    Our midfield is my biggest concern, I think we have the 7th or 8th best midfield in the league, the rest of the big 6 baring maybe Man Utd, Leicester and Wolves all have better midfields than us. We need a midfield that can be as defensively solid as Torreira/Xhaka but also create more and have more athleticism to cover so our fullbacks can attack more.

    The attack will need a minor or perhaps major rejig depending on if one, two or three of Auba, Laca and Özil leave this summer. We have a lot of work to do.
  19. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    Our defence has always been our biggest worry. I hope defensive issues are fixed but it’s too soon to tell. Attacking wise I’ve felt that it’s better than under Emery as we seem to control more possession and create more chances, but our forwards have not been clinical enough.
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  20. tap-in

    tap-in Nothing Wrong With Me

    I agree Arteta has had a positive impact since taking over. We are looking better in defence, even Mustafi has looked good. Saka has bloomed into a very promising LB and Xhaka and Torreira have improved in midfield. Its now down to the attack, I hope he's been focusing on this in the sunshine of Dubai. If he continues selecting Laca then he had better get it right! I think it should be Martinelli Auba Pepe but I'm just a fan, Arteta is a highly paid manager who needs to make it work with Laca or make changes, which many feel are over due.

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