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Mikel Arteta: Serial Non-Negotiator

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by OnlyOne, Dec 20, 2019.

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Do you believe Arteta will turn it around?

  1. Yes, I still have 100% faith in him

    12.5%
  2. Yes, but my confidence in him has decreased this season

    9.4%
  3. No, he should go imminently

    18.8%
  4. No, but he should stay on until his position becomes untenable

    37.5%
  5. Give him the rest of the season no matter what

    21.9%
  1. DanDare

    DanDare Emoji Merchant and Believer-In-Chief



    Winning is important but instilling the values that got lost so quickly after Wenger left is really important.

    Arteta is approaching things the right way. Of we can improve the team think he can't be great.
     
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  2. dka91

    dka91 Well-Known Member

    Personally I don't really blame Arteta for the loss yesterday. I think the lineup was fine overall, the only thing I really thought was glaring was the lack of the right changes and at the right time.

    But we should've beaten Olympiacos with the team we had. I personally feel like the players were sleep walking through it, perhaps a bit tired, perhaps a bit complacent? I don't know, in a strange way maybe the away goal somehow negatively affected our players' mentality, it just seems inherent in our squad and for me the players really disappointed with their performance and approach.

    That said I mean I like to compare Arteta to Poch in terms of potential impact because I think there are similarities there in terms of having a clearly defined style that can be demanding on players when it's at full tilt, if the players could handle it we'd be pressing similarly as aggressively (it's dropped off a bit because the players are b*tches that peter out after 60 minutes of doing it).

    Poch funnily did pretty shockingly in the Europa league and sometimes it just doesn't happen for whatever reason. Additionally Poch had a full first season including preseason and finished a decent, but I'd say lacklustre 5th with 64 points; good position but average points tally.

    It wasn't till Pochettino got an additional summer window, brought in some players to fit his system, that he was able to achieve 70 in his "sophomore" season and finally a huge 86 points in his third.

    I think hopefully if we can get the players to fit his system Arteta could have a similar trajectory but a lot will depend on the backroom staff. That said my ultimate conclusion is that even though Arteta is still not that experienced I think he's definitely the right man, yesterday doesn't change that for me in the slightest and sometimes sh*t happens, experience or not.
     
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  3. Hleb's Sirush

    Hleb's Sirush Well-Known Member

    Wenger, Van Gaal, Scolari, Mourinho etc. You don't really need to have been a great player to succeed as a manager.

    Oh and Arrigo Sacchi, widely regarded as one of the best managers of all time. He failed to even make it as a professional player, only making it as far as a part timer at amateur level. Was a shoe salesman for a while before taking up coaching. Came up with a great quote when people questioned his qualifications: "I never realized that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first,"
     
  4. Rimaal

    Rimaal Questionable Taste

  5. sammy89

    sammy89 Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately there's a huge chunk of the Arsenal fan base now who've never seen Arsenal on a high, so they spout shyte about Xhaka and Luiz being class :rofl:
     
  6. truth_hurts

    truth_hurts Well-Known Member

    Out of his depth. Decent coach, not ready for top level management. This will be a good experience for him, but not us.
     
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  7. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    What a man, we'll never get back what we had with Arsène . . . . consistency, the classiest club in the Prem and the neutrals favourite. And we had the father of everything thats good in football.

    But Arteta's his own man. We'll get something different with him . . . youth, hunger and drive. But the squad needs fixing for him to succeed.
     
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  8. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Dishonest To His Federation

    Same people who were begging me on here to keep giving Emery chance even if he hadn't won game for two months are already writing Arteta off even if he had no transfer window, no preseason and took over worst team in the league thanks to Emery. :lol:
     
  9. rich 1990

    rich 1990 Not A Big Believer In Diversity

    This could be your best post, Hydro.
     
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  10. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    Who? tag them so we can laugh at them.
     
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  11. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Dishonest To His Federation

    I'm not for being much "told you so" guy or hold any grudges even if I'm always right many months in advance and I get called troll and people basically throwing their cyber **** at me all the time for my correct opinions. So I will just take the high road and keep the peace and not tag anyone for this time!
     
  12. DUFFMAN

    DUFFMAN Active Member

    We have to stick with Arteta.

    There is no other choice.
     
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  13. say yes

    say yes Thread Title Abuser

    I think there’s three nonces on here who will turn on Arteta before the end of this year — over the tactics, the hair, everything – and I have written them down already in three envelopes.

    Make sure you are not in one of the envelopes.
     
  14. Tourbillion

    Tourbillion Angry & Miserable

    This is correct. I'm fully backing him, this team is unsaveable as it stands unless you put Klopp or Simeone in charge.

    However it is difficult not to be a bit pissed off at Mikel for his persistence with some of the utter dross, and the super late substitutions when things aren't working.

    At least he's started dropping Lacazette for Eddie.
     
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  15. Sanchez11

    Sanchez11 Superior Journalist To Charles Watts

    I'm still on the fence.
     
  16. Hleb's Sirush

    Hleb's Sirush Well-Known Member

    It isn't right to write Arteta off so early in his reign before we have seen what he is really capable of. Just as it wasn't right to write off Emery before he had enough time to implement his ideas. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, people use it to justify making hasty conclusions. Just because a manager turns to be a failure doesn't mean you were right to get on his back from the start.
     
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  17. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    Klopp or Simeone can’t save this team. Arteta’s done an incredible job to improve the defence.
     
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  18. <<reed>>

    <<reed>> Meme Merchant

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  19. Hleb's Sirush

    Hleb's Sirush Well-Known Member

    That is perfectly reasonable. You can back the manager while still criticising some aspect of his managing.

    I totally back Arteta as I believe any mamager deserves to get adequate time to show what he can do. Just like you there are some things that I didn't like. For example in our last game why did he switch to a 3 at the back late in the game? It just seemed to confuse our players. If you look at the last goal, when the cross comes in, only the 3 CB's are stationed in our box. There is no one stationed at the right side of our defence. That is where the RB should have been. Im guessing whoever was meant to play RWB forgot their position. It just created confusion. Why did we only have 3 players defending a cross in the last minute? Also the organisation at set pieces was abysmal. That surely is the responsibility of the manager.

    I'm sure Arteta will learn from this and hopefully the organisation will be much better in the future.
     
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  20. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Dishonest To His Federation

    Why not? I never felt like Emery and Arsenal were a good fit. It was very obvious almost in the first month of here that Emery was not coming here to grow and become a manager of a big club, it always felt that Emery wanted to bring Arsenal down to Sevilla level so it would be better marriage for him. But for us? No.

    But I still talked about he needed 2 years even if I was suffering everyday. We sacked him too late and paid heavily for that. It will take Hercules grip to heal some of the damage he did.

    With Arteta it feels a lot more natural for Arsenal. Even there is a lot of work to do I will have faith and hope we stick with him for at least 2-3 seasons! I think he has big potential as manager but it wont be obvious until our club is out of red zone and that will take some time!
     
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