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Mikel Arteta: Serial Non-Negotiator

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by OnlyOne, Dec 20, 2019.

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What should the minimum target for this season?

  1. Top 4 Finish

  2. Europa League Win

  3. A Realistic Top 4 Challenge

  4. A Domestic Trophy

  5. Getting the Team/Attack Clicking Irrespective of League Finish or Trophies

  6. Give Him Until The End of The Season Regardless

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  1. L3T5 PL4Y

    L3T5 PL4Y Flair Accuser

    I'm watching the game and have noticed 3 things.

    -We're hellbent on using the CBs, GK and our no.6 as our main source of game building as well as opening up the opposition defense. So what exactly is the point of forcing Xhaka into the team with Partey already here?

    -We're using the other midfielders to take up wide spots when on the ball to push our wide players(wingers and fullbacks) as further up the pitch as we can but this has our strikers completely isolated. Having Xhaka who can barely move, pass or do anything quick enough pretty much screws up the structure by merely being there and he isn't able to actually function since he hasn't got a role yet is just forcing the entire system to be blunt. You don't really need multiple players doing the same thing and what's the point of having Luiz, Gabriel, Ceballos and now Partey who are devaluing Xhaka's role in the game by default where another midfielder would be better able to connect the attack to the forward players more effectively?

    -I think Arteta is overdoing the pass, move, positioning and press stuff compromising a simpler route that's hurting all of our players specially our forwards as well as our attacking game overall. And not just from a gameplay perspective but having no settled front line and constantly moving around positions of Laca, Auba and the likes from one game to the next is creating more and more confusion as well as compromising team chemistry as well as confidence among the players. You can tell from their body language, decisions on the ball and lack of certainty that its a bit much.

    -We can't do Barcelona or Bayern or City. We can't. Its impossible. So trying to force the issue and compromising results isn't a good idea. You need to get to a certain state result wise with the players we've got before taking extreme measures first. There is nothing wrong with patience and gradual organic progression. Why not build from a foundation? We now have the set of players and enough to not overdo everything for a more direct simple way to get up the table. We should be and need to be more practical.
     
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  2. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    Honestly an awful comparison.

    Atalanta play a 343. Their wing backs are big, strong, athletic but also have incredible quality. Just look at Castagna for example who Leicester managed to nab from Atalanta. Last season from the left Gosens scored 9 goals and assisted 8 in the league.

    They then have Alejandro Gomez and Ilicic as the two inside forwards behind Zapata, their holdup striker. Atalanta have all the bones for how they play. Strong wing backs who score and assist regularly, a striker who holds up the ball incredibly well and is a threat in the air and two playmaking attackers who compliment everything that goes on around them.

    We actually don't have anyone like Gomez or Ilicic in our squad.

    @field442 valid points but I'm talking big chance creation. Mikky and Iwobi created 10 big chances each in their final seasons. Pepe comment is fair but even he doesn't put those numbers up, he's a goalscoring winger.
     
  3. Kysus

    Kysus Well-Known Member

    There is no comparision. Atalanta score for fun with much less talented players.
    Fact.
     
  4. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    No but Leicester clearly set up differently in big away games, hitting teams on the counter. Which is all they did against us, they aren't a "white hot juggernaut" but they also aren't coming to the Emirates to be easily beaten.

    No matter what formation we played we would've been met by a blue wall, and we have no central quality to unlock that, so going wide was the best option.
     
  5. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    I just said to you Gomez and Ilicic are far more talented as playmakers and goalscoring midfielders than anything that we have in our squad, yet you decided to side step that like an awkward crab.
     
  6. Kysus

    Kysus Well-Known Member

    Didn't think the notion that Gomez or Illicic would turn is into an attacking force like Atalanta deserved a response.
    Willian would score and create for fun at Atalanta for example.
     
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  7. Kysus

    Kysus Well-Known Member

    Ye pundits are clueless clowns, not really news.
     
  8. Moah

    Moah Well-Known Member

    Tiki Taka football will never ever happen again. Those players were some of the most gifted players ever that coincided with the system that was perfectly made for them. They played it, they aged, and it died when they left the club.

    Wengerball was something else. If Wenger had the perfect players like Barcelona did, it would have been the best style of play the world has ever seen.
     
  9. Breezy

    Breezy Well-Known Member

    FFS. :facepalm:
     
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  10. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    Probably because Atalanta have full backs who score and provide for fun and a system in place that suits those players...

    Our players wouldn't suit that system, we don't have a good hold up striker and we don't have a multitude of fantastic full back options.
     
  11. L3T5 PL4Y

    L3T5 PL4Y Flair Accuser

    The other thing is you have Lacazette and Auba doing more running, ball winning and defending in deeper areas where you could have Pepe, Willian, Saka etc combining the game for them to occupy opposition defenders to you know....attack!

    We now have the players to play a simpler and more effective game to get results but we seem to hellbent on reinventing the wheel where there is no need for it and don't have the resources for.

    Majority of the players are expending energy in unnecessary stuff taking the sting out of their effectiveness. This is causing them grow more and more nervous.
     
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  12. Kysus

    Kysus Well-Known Member

    Lol
    Tierney and Bellerin, even AMN and Saka are (obviously) much better than Atalanta's fullbacks.
    And despite his struggles Laca is (obviously) much better than Zapata and frigging Muriel.

    Atalanta are set-up to attack
    We are set-up to defend

    That's the difference.
     
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  13. Kysus

    Kysus Well-Known Member

    Arteta turned us into Wolves.
     
  14. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    Atalanta play a 343, we played that formation and were told we're too negative playing it... :lol:

    Tierney and Bellerin aren't better than Atalanta's wing backs at the job they do in a 343. Like I said before, Gosens, Atalanta's main LWB scored 9 and assisted 8 in the league alone last season. Castagna is far better than Bellerin as an attacking right wing back in a 343 as well, he's quality on the ball.

    Laca isn't better at Zapata in the job that Zapata does for their team. Just like Lacazette would never be better than Firmino in Liverpools team, because he does a specific job for the side to function.

    You're chatting absolute nonsense to be honest.
     
  15. freeglennhelder2

    freeglennhelder2 Well-Known Member

    Lets give our new manager a chance eh? See how it pans out over the season? Let the past be the past? What do you think brother? Are you with me?
     
  16. Kysus

    Kysus Well-Known Member

    You are extremely defensive because your ego seems to be identified too much with your opinion. Kills all open-mindedness.
    Discussions are not a battle where you have to defend and attack, it's a chance to learn.
    Would recommend some reflection.
     
  17. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter Got Swerved By Gallas Trusted

    I think people are going to be disappointed if you’re always saying “we need x player”. Yes an elite creative midfielder would be nice but it’s hard to get all these players at once unless you’re Man City or Real Madrid.

    You don’t need creativity to press higher in midfield or force turnovers close to goal. He’s not an elite final ball player but someone like Willian should be enough creativity for most teams.

    He was Chelsea’s most creative midfielder last year in terms of shot creating actions and even if he’s not like peak Özil if you have him plus a strong, active midfield like we do now you should expect more.

    You should game plan to compensate for your weaknesses, not wave the white flag and try and sh*thouse results.

    I don’t expect Wengerball out of this team but there’s other ways to play attacking football.
     
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  18. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    Saying Tierney and Bellerin are far better than any of Atalanta's full backs without any facts to back it up isnt an open minded discussion. Its outright lunacy.

    I'm happy with having open convos with people who know what they're talking about.

    If you're wanting that then at least back up what you're saying.
     
  19. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant

    Oh god FFS
    Did u watch the example I posted?
     
  20. Kysus

    Kysus Well-Known Member

    Still a defensive ego talking.
    Go beyond that my friend, try it.
     
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