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Mikel Arteta: Serial Trophy Winning MANAGER

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by OnlyOne, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    Jesus :lol::lol::lol:
     
  2. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant

    Tactics around the world have changed drastically in his latest years. It has become a lot more complex and analytical.

    You’d know what I’m talking about if you’ve read through my last post.
     
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  3. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    Top post :lol:
     
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  4. OnlyOne

    OnlyOne Vinai Venkatesham Stan

    Haven’t slept yet, still ballin’ out.
     
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  5. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Arséne Wenger once said "I will miss you"

    The guy beats Ancelotti, then Coronavirus, then Klopp, then Pep, then fat Frank.

    What a man!
     
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  6. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant

    A good video to add on to my points.

     
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  7. krackpot

    krackpot Established Member

    I'll bite because this is quite absurd. Pep sucks balls. Wenger balls.

    Klopp is OK. He in not a mastermind. He has a preferred tactic which is quite successful. He didnt develop it.

    The tactics have not changed much. But we have tools that help us see what changes they make. You think they did notmake changes before? Who brought an end to the 4-4-2 in the PL?

    Pep couldn't win the CL without Messi. He couldn't beat Liverpool when they spent a similar amount of money. He has KDB, 'the best player in the PL' . What has he won with him? Jackshit.

    Pep never won **** with an average team. He took over a team and ethos developed by Rijkaard.

    "What's important is finding a position that suits perfectly a player's qualities, a position where he can express his technical qualities and a position where you do not expose his flaws," said Wenger.

    "The little details are very, very important, like preferential vision. Some players see more on the right and some see more on the left. If you see a player who passes to the right all the time because of that, then you put them on the left.

    "Robert Pires is a good example. He has unbelievable preferential vision, so on the right he is a normal player but on the left he became a world-class player. On the left wing he saw everything, but on the right wing he saw nothing."
     
  8. Hunta

    Hunta Shivering Right Now Trusted

    Had Ole on strings as well

     
  9. OnlyOne

    OnlyOne Vinai Venkatesham Stan

    Morning bro, love you.
     
  10. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant

    You really think it’s that simple?

    Wenger sets a general formation/philosophy to his players and trust them on the pitch. Their positioning and movements were very disorganised. You would called it freedom.

    Morden tactics is all about instructing detailed pre-sets positioning and movement instructions to players, to exploit the opponent weaknesses as a team and avoid the other way round.

    For example, if we need to create space for aubameyang on the left, how are we going to do it?

    1) We pass from deep, invite Chelsea to press high. Now there are space in behind.

    2) Then how do we take their wing back out of the game? We create overload on the left, CBs shift central, tierney shift to the wide left, AMN shift inwards to create the overload with tierney. Chelsea engaged their wing back upwards to prevent overload. Now space on the left.

    3) How to make even more space for aubameyang, Lacazette drops deep to create a greater overload and dragging a Chelsea CB out of the game. Now there is even more space.

    But there are other things we have to consider. If we create these overload/play from deep, are there any risks? If they dropped a striker deep to counter our plan? Maybe we can shift Pepe inwards to counter their tweaks? And what next will they do?

    And above, I have only mentioned a small part of the build up phase play. I haven’t even mentioned the defensive phase and final third phase, and what every player’s duties are, in the transition between these phases.....

    Every of these players position and movements are now pre-instructed to a very high detailed level. Every single moves is now well calculated. Much more analytic based. It’s more than just 442/4231, knowing your players quality and then play them in the right position.

    I’m not praising pep for whatever he wins. He wins maybe because it’s money, maybe it’s luck. But by purely looking at how good he is on modern tactical knowledge, how detailed he sets up his game plan and how clever are his in-game tactical tweaks, it’s a fool to not admiring him. Not to mentioned that his tactical ideas was revolutionary. His ideas changes a lot on how today’s football teams are played/how they press. Arteta is that good mostly because of him.

    You see how many details went into this game.

    And this video has not even mentioned how they press. Man oriented pressing? zonal pressing? passing lane oriented pressing? or a mixture of the above? When do we start to press? 15 yards outside opponent’s goal-line? Or 30 yards? How many players would you commit? What if they drop another player deep to help. If they avoid the press, are we in danger of being attacked?

    Klopp and Guardiola are two of the best tacticians, I don’t know what’s in your mind to make it like they are average.
     
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  11. Jakarta

    Jakarta Active Member

    I really hope the board back him in the summer.

    Arteta has so much potential, but he can’t keep working wonders with our poor squad.
     
  12. Goonger

    Goonger Well-Known Member

    Was just about to post, in 6 months, man has beaten Ole, Ancelotti, Nuno, Klopp, Pep & Lampard, all with an average as feck team!
    Mourinho, the 1 that got away, but my man is ruthless, he'll be hanging on Arteta's wall next season.
     
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  13. Mo Britain

    Mo Britain Doom Monger

    Manager has to see the full picture and make the team work like an orchestra. The average fan only sees the detail and complains, for example, how Lacazette isn't influencing play when he is carrying out the manager's instructions as part of the overall plan.

    Still have a preference for players playing on the side where they have their strongest foot.
     
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  14. Riou

    Riou Non-Stop Nostalgia

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    How all Arsenal fans feel about this...

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  15. kash2

    kash2 Obsessed With Jury

    Wenger went up against prime Barcelona and prime Dortmund with a team of kids. Wenger was another level. Klopp and Pep may reach that level but haven't till now.
     
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  17. Taneruit

    Taneruit Well-Known Member

  18. field442

    field442 Hates Journalists Named James

    Only just noticed it was Saville and Harris in that @say yes post :rofl: :rofl:
     
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  19. razörist

    razörist Soft With The Ladies, Hard With The Mes

    Perhaps its been shown on here before but I haven’t seen it so went to have a look:

    Arsenal before Arteta joined
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    Arsenal after Arteta joined
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    + a cheeky FA cup
    + a happy, motivated squad

    And the only signings he got were worldbeaters Pablo Mari and Cedric Soares, that were used for like 5 games.

    I mean, unless you expected him to go full invincible mode from day 1 you have to tip your hat to Arteta. He managed this with the same dead squad that had most of us waking up in tears in the middle of the night. Imagine if he gets some players he actually wants!
     
  20. Hunta

    Hunta Shivering Right Now Trusted

    How many red cards and injuries did he have to deal with as well? Every game we seemed to lose a player.
     
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