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Is The Premier League Tougher Than It Used To Be?

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IstraBalagina

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It’s not true that Wenger couldn’t cope. The correct word to use is outperform. Our natural position is 5th/6th as we see now and that is where Wenger ended up.
We've been in the top 4 for 20 years before how is that our natural position?
 

Atlas

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We've been in the top 4 for 20 years before how is that our natural position?
What right do we have to finish above City/Utd/Chelsea/Pool? Wengers magic ran out at the end. Search your feelings Luke you know it’s true.
 

Makingtrax

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Haha i think Klopp, Pep & Tuchel may beg to differ.
Rafa is also back & the mighty mourinho a manager who had Arsenes number for years got sacked last year due to not doing better with a team that has been above us for 5 years.
Carlo a recognised top level manager finished lower than us with Everton & still got the Madrid job. Poch struggled for a few months at Sp**s got fired & walked into the PSG job. You also have Rogers a proven coach who has done extremely well & a whole host of younger talented coaches through the league
Im not saying its just the coaches btw, its a combination of that & the quality of the teams that makes it so tough.
Anyone who doesnt think the standard of the league is way stronger nowadays is frankly deluded.
Neville said on MNF the top 4 were likely the best 4 teams in the World right now & the premier league in general was stronger than its ever been. I find it very difficult to go against that.
You've completely missed several points.
-The EPL has always attracted title winning managers from Europe.
-The rise of the EPL as a European force has no bearing on the competition within it, if all the teams are getting richer.

And comparing old managers whose stats are measurably declining to young ones makes no sense. You can't prove that young Mourinho in his day was any better or worse than say Klopp today because all variables have changed.

The EPL is no harder today for Arsenal than it was 20 years ago, it's just now we have **** management team.
 

Makingtrax

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What right do we have to finish above City/Utd/Chelsea/Pool? Wengers magic ran out at the end. Search your feelings Luke you know it’s true.
Wengers magic never ran out unless you can prove it in numbers and you can't. 2016-2018 the fans forced it out and we all witnessed it.
 

Atlas

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You've completely missed several points.
-The EPL has always attracted title winning managers from Europe.
-The rise of the EPL as a European force has no bearing on the competition within it, if all the teams are getting richer.

And comparing old managers whose stats are measurably declining to young ones makes no sense. You can't prove that young Mourinho in his day was any better or worse than say Klopp today because all variables have changed.

The EPL is no harder today for Arsenal than it was 20 years ago, it's just now we have **** management team.
I mean even you acknowledge City and Chelsea have changed the league. Why post contradictory stuff now?
 

Makingtrax

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Sure I can. He finished 5th and 6th.
But only with the weight of overhead planes, rants, boycotts, protests and abuse on his back. The magic was sucked out of him.
 

Makingtrax

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I mean even you acknowledge City and Chelsea have changed the league. Why post contradictory stuff now?
They did, but that was a long time ago. Posters are saying its now because of better managers and more money coming into the league in general, keep up.
 

Paperino

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Can people just piss off from this thread with the discussion about the quality of Premier League 20 years ago? Its derailing crap.
 

Blankety Blank

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You've completely missed several points.
-The EPL has always attracted title winning managers from Europe.
-The rise of the EPL as a European force has no bearing on the competition within it, if all the teams are getting richer.

And comparing old managers whose stats are measurably declining to young ones makes no sense. You can't prove that young Mourinho in his day was any better or worse than say Klopp today because all variables have changed.

The EPL is no harder today for Arsenal than it was 20 years ago, it's just now we have **** management team.
Well if you seriously cannot grasp that Man C, Man U, Chelsea & Liverpool at present combined are stronger than any EPL top 4 have ever been there is little point debating & you may as well keep your head in the clouds.
No question the EPL is harder for Arsenal today than it was 20 years ago. Can you remember when Arsène took over, he took an average mid table team with a solid defence, added a couple of players and won the league. No manager could do that now as the top 4 simply are so far ahead. Because of his great knowledge he benefitted massively by using a largely untapped continental market to strengthen the team. He was revolutionary at the time by also adding diet & supplements.
These type of gains simply wouldnt be possible anymore as football has advanced massively since Arsène came into the British drinking culture & brought new ideas & success.

As for comparing European success & you saying it is not relevant to the EPL? Lol Well its the only metric we have. There was a time when most thought the Spanish or Italian Leagues were stronger. Most if not all agree its the EPL now.

As for comparing Young/Old managers i agree its tough.

Old Arsène had dropped out of top 4 whereas younger Arsène didnt.
So was it because the league got harder or had Arsène perhaps declined as a manager?
 
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Makingtrax

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Trax, correlation isn't causation, you know this. Wenger's decline could be due to any number of things and you can't prove which one was actually the main underlying cause of the slide down the table. It was probably a combination of factors, if anything. Now I'm not saying that the fan boycotts didn't have an effect at all, but you act as if this was the only one.

On that note, it's probably my last post about this topic, as this thread should be focused on the charlatan currently masquerading as Arsenal's manager, not on analysing our biggest legend's career.
So he suddenly dropped out of the top 4 after 20 years, and after a recent improvement of 4th, to 3rd, to 2nd + two cups, but we can’t be sure the concerted and viscous fan campaign to remove him, was the actual cause, even though it coincided exactly with the fall. OK.
 

Atlas

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This.

I'd really to know how Arteta has got such undying loyalty. Trust our idiotic ownership to give so much rope to a garbage manager. Chelsea sacked Lampard and got Tuchel. Liverpool sacked Rodgers and got Klopp.

We missed the boat with Klopp by hanging onto Wenger for too long and will keep missing the boat by having a clown in charge. If he had won titles you'd get the loyalty. He's done nothing except continuing to cement our place as a midtable joke.
The only realistic explanation for this is that we live in a simulation and Arteta is the human player playing FM so he can’t be sacked.
 

Makingtrax

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Well if you seriously cannot grasp that Man C, Man U, Chelsea & Liverpool at present combined are stronger than any EPL top 4 have ever been there is little point debating & you may as well keep your head in the clouds.
No question the EPL is harder for Arsenal today than it was 20 years ago. Can you remember when Arsène took over, he took an average mid table team with a solid defence, added a couple of players and won the league. No manager could do that now as the top 4 simply are so far ahead. Because of his great knowledge he benefitted massively by using a largely untapped continental market to strengthen the team. He was revolutionary at the time by also adding diet & supplements.
These type of gains simply wouldnt be possible anymore as football has advanced massively since Arsène came into the British drinking culture & brought new ideas & success.

As for comparing European success & you saying it is not relevant to the EPL? Lol Well its the only metric we have. There was a time when most thought the Spanish or Italian Leagues were stronger. Most if not all agree its the EPL now.
As for comparing Young/Old managers i agree its tough
Old Arsène had dropped out of top 4 whereas younger Arsène didnt.
So was it because the league was harder or due to the fact that other clubs & managers had got stronger or had Arsène had declined as a manager?
:lol: Arteta’s stats have been extremely poor on numerous fronts. The Numbers are there to show it, no hiding. Arsène did not decline as he got older up to 2016, again the numbers are there to prove it. He was a country mile better than Arteta. Hell, Unai was a lot better too.

The excuse that the league is getting harder is not provable except in people’s heads. Last year was ideal for a team to stage a raid on the top 4, Liverpool were troubled by injuries and Chelsea and Sp**s both had sacked managers. But no, we came 8th with some terrible football. Give it a rest.
 

Blankety Blank

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So he suddenly dropped out of the top 4 after 20 years, and after a recent improvement of 4th, to 3rd, to 2nd + two cups, but we can’t be sure the concerted and viscous fan campaign to remove him, was the actual cause, even though it coincided exactly with the fall. OK.
tbh that is a fair point.

I think it was due to not getting close to Leicester with peak Sanchez/Özil while most of the other big clubs were in transition.
 

scytheavatar

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So he suddenly dropped out of the top 4 after 20 years, and after a recent improvement of 4th, to 3rd, to 2nd + two cups, but we can’t be sure the concerted and viscous fan campaign to remove him, was the actual cause, even though it coincided exactly with the fall. OK.

You are blaming the symptoms of the disease rather than the disease itself. It's the drop in the quality of the football and performances that created the concerted and viscous fan campaign to remove him, not the other way round.
 

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