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Mikel Arteta: Taking The Mik

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by OnlyOne, Dec 20, 2019.

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Do you believe Arteta will turn it around?

  1. Yes, I still have 100% faith in him

    11.5%
  2. Yes, but my confidence in him has decreased this season

    24.4%
  3. No, he should go imminently

    39.1%
  4. No, but he should stay on until his position becomes untenable

    16.0%
  5. Give him the rest of the season no matter what

    9.0%
  1. MikelHadADream

    MikelHadADream Well-Known Member

    I know its fine margins, if we'd have beaten Leicester yesterday it would have been a really good start to the season.

    However, its not a crime to be concerned about the attacking side of our game...
     
  2. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    People want it NOW, they want results NOW. I think the FA cup success has pushed peoples expectations up stupidly high. But you can't expect Arteta to just click his fingers and make us title contenders.

    Over the course of the whole season our main challengers for top 4 will be United, Sp**s, Chelsea and probably Leicester. Thats what I'm looking at. Beating United away, something we haven't done for 15 years, is now imperative.
     
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  3. field442

    field442 Hates Journalists Named James Trusted

    People are worried about how our attacking play is developing. The results are partly due to our inability to create going forward and that comes from Arteta’s failure to develop our style of play. The original argument when he started using these tactics was that we didn’t have the players to play 4 at the back because our defenders were ****. We just spent €80m on a very good CB and a very very good midfielder who has strong defensive attributes. The fact that Arteta still seems to think this formation and style of play is something to persist with with those two players in the team is worrying. Gabriel and Partey should allow him to set up the team with the handbrake off but yesterday it was still firmly on.
     
  4. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    The first time he's been able to use Partey from the start in a league game he's played 433. Just saying.
     
  5. Moah

    Moah Well-Known Member

    I get the notion, but when will the excuses end? I mean All those used to and still are happening. Shouldn't we expect at least for the specifics to change.

    Sadly, all I see now is we still lose but in a respectable way. That coming because we have totally sacrificed our attacking flow.
     
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  6. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant

    Our problems are laca, auba, nketiah, willock and Özil. They are a bunch of skilless cxxt. We need players who are better on the ball. Having Aouar would help. But city has a team of Aouar. This is how far the gap is between us and city.
     
  7. truth_hurts

    truth_hurts Well-Known Member

    Am really not buying the excuses about our squad not being good enough. Emery finished 5th with a worse squad and got to a European final. Everybody was wanking themselves silly after the FA cup win and 8th place finish. We've added Willian, Gabriel and Partey - we're 10th and scraping past Rapid Wienna.

    Stop the excuses. Please.
     
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  8. HairSprayGooners

    HairSprayGooners Al Jazeera Correspondent

    The thing is Emery also had 3 players who were being way more creative than any of the midfielders we currently have. Özil isn't in the squad so we don't have that atm.
     
  9. truth_hurts

    truth_hurts Well-Known Member

    Who were the 3? Also, Emery famously banished Özil to the stands. I'm guessing Iwobi and Mkhi are the two that you are referring to? Willian and Pepe have almost certainly assisted more under Arteta than those two did for Emery.

    Arteta has Saka, Pepe and Willian. For me, that is plenty of creativity. I believe Bellerin is our top assisted this season?

    Arteta out is a ridiculous claim, but he has to be accountable for this mess, just as he was rightly praised for The FA Cup win.
     
  10. Gunners1616

    Gunners1616 Well-Known Member

    Conservative is a fancy word for coward. He just doest take any risk. He transmit his fear to the players. Against Rapid Vienna he should have played youngsters but he was scared of them and he said it before the match. We ended up using starters, scrapping a win and gaining time at the corner flag in the end.

    Even when he finally try a 433 it's has to be with 3 CM in a flat midfield with no one attacking. Back then we use to have Ramsey going into the box all the time. Now the midfield just like the coach takes 0 risk.

    Also how about giving the youngsters a chance instead of playing players that you spent all the summer trying to sell. Saliba should be a starter, Nelson should have had more chances, and Balogun should have some of Eddie minutes. Even ESR should have had a go in the Europa at least.

    And his obsession with Aubameyang playing wide is gonna backfire. He might not even score 10 goals this season. He can barely get 1 shot per game in this system. Supposedly one of the elite number 9 of the game and he is playing wide at 32 y.o and crossing balls for Lacazette.

    Just stop being scared. Its OK to lose while building some good foundations. Now we have no identity, we play safe and we still lose anyway.
     
  11. Maybe

    Maybe Well-Known Member

    Emery didn't fancy Özil either. I don't think it's a personnel issue, I think players are instructed to play in a specific way and it takes creativity away from them
     
  12. field442

    field442 Hates Journalists Named James Trusted

    Who? Xhaka and Guendouzi were used a lot by Emery, with Ramsey or Özil being the other player (usually Ramsey). Ramsey is the only one in that setup who provides something different.
     
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  13. MikelHadADream

    MikelHadADream Well-Known Member

    Agree with you partly. Dont really have a problem with playing a good team against Vienna, it was arguably the hardest game in the group and we got the win.

    We don't have the players to play 433, we have no players like Ramsey as you say that can play box to box. 4231 is the way to go. Before the Southampton game last season, Arteta often played 4231 with 4 of Auba/Lacazette/Özil/Pepe/Nelson, I'd like to see him return to that now we have Partey, Gabriel and Willian.
     
  14. Oxeki

    Oxeki New Threads, Old Tweets

    I still trust Arteta. The problem is not really the tactics per se. The personnel is a huge issue. We don't have creative outlet and now we're forced to use wide areas to create.

    Xhaka, Partey and Ceballos Midfield is very solid but uninspiring. It offers plenty of control and stability but not so much creativity.

    We need to play two of the above with one of saka, Willian or ESR.

    I think Arteta will get it right eventually.
    He just needs to add a creative player to our Midfield.
     
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  15. DUFFMAN

    DUFFMAN Well-Known Member

    Artetaout trending on twitter.

    Amazing how quickly things change in football.
     
  16. Aubamagoal

    Aubamagoal Active Member

    yes sure lets compare Klopp who was pretty much a proven manager to a rookie who is maybe 30 games into his career. You had an issue with my original post but their faults are glaring and to be honest worrying. Arteta is going to waste another year. He’s a cheap appointment and we will get what we pay for.

    As for your posts and phrases like “people like you” really show that you cant converse without making it a personal argument. “Embarassing” really.

    your post is liked by oxeki and football manager, the other two big brains that have resided in my ignore list for a while. Says it all. One more to the list.
     
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  17. Maybe

    Maybe Well-Known Member

    It was coming for a while, but now when we've added a couple of good players, there much less space for excuses.
    If you can't create chances with Partey, Auba, Ceballos, Pepe, Saka,Willian and Laca, then you definitely start asking questions about how this team is instructed to play.
    This is the strongest team we've had in a while, with the worst attacking performances since the early 90s.

    So far it's been all about how many formations can Mikel copy from Pep, the same manager who failed miserably at City. Sometimes managers should just give their players some freedom, and back off with their tactical nonsense
     
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  18. Maybe

    Maybe Well-Known Member

    It has nothing to do with him being a rookie, the same crap was done by Pep and his failures in CL when he was trying to be smarter than he actually is, and Pep is an experienced manager.
    It's about their ego and they put their tactical bullshit before players and their qualities
     
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  19. krengon

    krengon One Arsene Wenger Trusted

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    This passmap confirms it, no midfield play at all, clearly by design.. Only reason I can think of is Arteta might be worried about losing possession in that area so just forces play wide, but that’s just cowardly..
     
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  20. MikelHadADream

    MikelHadADream Well-Known Member

    God that isn't a pretty sight. Look at Auba's position ffs.
     

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