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Mikel Arteta: Top Of The Klopps

The_Playmaker

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I just think it's too much for the players at the moment. Think about Tierney. He needs to play as a lcb when we don't have the ball, during build up he is a lb and when we have sustained possession he has to move into a left wing position. He is tired because he is being asked to play 3 positions. At lb you go up and down. He is currently being asked to move across as well as up and down. While taking all of the movement information on board he then needs to think about what he does when he gets the ball.

We need to get to the point where players know each other. How does Bellerin know when to overlap with Pepe or where he wants the ball if he doesn't play wit him?
 

Rex Stone

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I had a look at the average positions on the pitch of the players and it was a myth that we played 4-3-3.

It was still the exact same set up as it’s been all season. Xhaka played in the LCB position and Tierney went LWB.

I really f*cking hate the 5 atb because it leaves us short in midfield time and again in supporting the striker.

It’s the same problem we had under Emery, if you set up with a low block then your strikers are miles apart from your midfield and if they’re in a two then there’s no freedom to try and get up and support them.
 

kash2

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the ultimate formation will be 3 right backs and 3 left backs.

Playing LCB, LWB and LWF and RCB, RWB and RWF with one CB, two DMs and one lone striker. Thats Artetaball
 

Oh_Snap

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To think I slaughtered Emery for this crap. I was so wrong. :facepalm:
tbf we were extremly lucky in the first month with emery, so many games were we should've drawed or lose. still, expected more from MA. even the GD is worse than under emery.
 

Kav

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tbf we were extremly lucky in the first month with emery, so many games were we should've drawed or lose. still, expected more from MA. even the GD is worse than under emery.

Even so he did go on a 22match unbeaten run, that was not all down to luck. He did some good things but yes we were lucky a few times. Emery's problem was communication and he couldn't get the team organized. We were disjointed. All that being said we were doing better under Emery with worse players than Arteta who has a better squad including Willian, Partey and Gabriel at his disposal.

Arteta needs to let go of his ego and allow the players to just play naturally.
 

GoonerJay24

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Even so he did go on a 22match unbeaten run, that was not all down to luck. He did some good things but yes we were lucky a few times. Emery's problem was communication and he couldn't get the team organized. We were disjointed. All that being said we were doing better under Emery with worse players than Arteta who has a better squad including Willian, Partey and Gabriel at his disposal.

Arteta needs to let go of his ego and allow the players to just play naturally.

Emery had Özil, Mkhitharian, Ramsey, Iwobi alongside leaders like Koscielny and Montreal in the squad.
 

Kav

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Emery had Özil, Mkhitharian, Ramsey, Iwobi alongside leaders like Koscielny and Montreal in the squad.
Arteta also had Özil at his disposal and decided to get rid of him. He also decided to sell Mikhi to Roma. He clearly did not want them here. That makes your point moot.
 

Moah

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Reading Wenger's book, there's a part where he discusses about his time in Japan and how the players were so rigid and were expecting to be told what to do every single time they have the ball. He went on to describe how he told them not to expect everything from him and how they went on expressing themselves.

Arteta shouting instructions from the sideline have helped us form a stable and solid defence that work as a unit. But, I don't think this approach will be of much use when it comes to our attacking play. It has drained the players confidence and now everyone wants to be told what they do to not be guilty of making a mistake.

We have quality players that can make difference at any given time so they should be allowed to express themselves and understand each other on their own way. Coaching should only develop what they can bring by themselves. Mikel can't teach them all how they have to have to play from scratch.
 

Sniper Mik

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yikes

edit: sorry didnt see it has already been posted
Arteta has 23 wins from 38 games so right off the bat these stats are incorrect. And what a stupid comparison, Emery took over a team that finished 6th, and left it in the bottom half of the table. Arteta came in improved our league position and won a trophy inside 10 months.

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Manberg

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Reading Wenger's book, there's a part where he discusses about his time in Japan and how the players were so rigid and were expecting to be told what to do every single time they have the ball. He went on to describe how he told them not to expect everything from him and how they went on expressing themselves.

Arteta shouting instructions from the sideline have helped us form a stable and solid defence that work as a unit. But, I don't think this approach will be of much use when it comes to our attacking play. It has drained the players confidence and now everyone wants to be told what they do to not be guilty of making a mistake.

We have quality players that can make difference at any given time so they should be allowed to express themselves and understand each other on their own way. Coaching should only develop what they can bring by themselves. Mikel can't teach them all how they have to have to play from scratch.

You say should, but there are pros and cons to both a fluid and a rigid style.
 

GoonerJay24

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Arteta also had Özil at his disposal and decided to get rid of him. He also decided to sell Mikhi to Roma. He clearly did not want them here. That makes your point moot.

What about the other players? Leaders like Koscielny, Montreal and Cech. Likes of Ramsey and Iwobi were good capable squad options to rotate; wouldn't say Arteta has the better more complete squad
 

Football Manager

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Reading Wenger's book, there's a part where he discusses about his time in Japan and how the players were so rigid and were expecting to be told what to do every single time they have the ball. He went on to describe how he told them not to expect everything from him and how they went on expressing themselves.

Arteta shouting instructions from the sideline have helped us form a stable and solid defence that work as a unit. But, I don't think this approach will be of much use when it comes to our attacking play. It has drained the players confidence and now everyone wants to be told what they do to not be guilty of making a mistake.

We have quality players that can make difference at any given time so they should be allowed to express themselves and understand each other on their own way. Coaching should only develop what they can bring by themselves. Mikel can't teach them all how they have to have to play from scratch.
Link updated.
 
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Rex Stone

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Do we have Xavi and Iniesta in midfield who can play pinpoint passes all round the ground and carry the ball long distances before breaking into the box if need be?

Look at how high their midfield is in support of the wide players as well. Our midfielders barely make it out of our half and get up and support the wide players.

Also the key is off the ball. If you have six or seven players sitting in a really low block rather than getting up to the opposition you won’t be able to play like this.
 

Moah

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Do we have Xavi and Iniesta in midfield who can play pinpoint passes all round the ground and carry the ball long distances before breaking into the box if need be?

Look at how high their midfield is in support of the wide players as well. Our midfielders barely make it out of our half and get up and support the wide players.

Also the key is off the ball. If you have six or seven players sitting in a really low block rather than getting up to the opposition you won’t be able to play like this.
Thank you for explaining it perfectly. The only midfielder we have that is even capable of resisting a press is Partey. What he is proposing is fictitious for our current squad. Even Pep is struggling to make it work with City. :lol:

Tiki Taka football will never ever happen again. Those players were some of the most gifted players ever that coincided with the system that was perfectly made for them. They played it, they aged, and it died when they left the club.
 
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