Mikel Arteta: Top Drawer

[ThisFather]

If we don't end up winning a league/CL title with the foundations of this team before a rebuild is required again then it means nothing. If that happens, then even Man U will have had a far better period than us as they've won trophies.

Challenging squads don't come around often for clubs. It took Liverpool decades and when they got the chance, they went all, won everything and have something to show for it. We had to wait almost 20 years just for us to hold back before it becomes a great team. The last two years have been wasted.

Eventually, once Saliba, Gabriel, Saka leave when Madrid/Barca come for them or the squad starts to decline. We will need to start the rebuild again. Then we'll look back and think of how we wasted such good players for one FA cup.

This club needs to wake up. There are high and lows period when you look at the different clubs. We are wasting our high.

 

[viktor]

If we don't end up winning a league/CL title with the foundations of this team before a rebuild is required again then it means nothing. If that happens, then even Man U will have had a far better period than us as they've won trophies.

that is why i always said every new manager at big club should not make "trust process" too long (only finished 2nd many many times in every season without deliver trophy/major trophy)

because if at the end in future we still not get major trophy under his project at the same time our squad collapse and we need rebuild again that is mean we waiting for long just end for nothing then (not even get europe league, fa cup, carabao)

 

[Xln]

Just like hetero, homo, bi sexuals. In this case people who is attracted to Mikel Artetas. Is not an insult just an sexual orientation.

Jokes aside, Emery didn't get the same treatment nor privileges and that's what I hate from Tetas fanbase, the lack of criticism.

Think the problem was that under Emery's last season, crap teams came to our carpet and were feasting with records after records. One of those were amount of shots on target.

For me that was just embarrassing and loss of dressing room. If this happens under Arteta trust me even Artetasexuals will turn hetero again.

 

[ThisFather]

I still think the board is likely holding back the club in recruitment. Arteta was quite straightforward with how the attack needed improvement in January. And after his recent comments, he's clearly saying without directly saying that he did not get the backing from the club.

I'm now wondering how many of these random signings were actually Arteta's. The thing is, when the club has failed every manager recruitment wise including back to Wenger, it makes me think. Everyone and their cat, dog and dust mite under the table knew we needed a ST, CB, CDM etc at various points over the last decade. Yet how could it be that these top level managers had no idea of this or had no desire to fill in the one position holding the whole team back?

 

[Entropics]

Think the problem was that under Emery's last season, crap teams came to our carpet and were feasting with records after records. One of those were amount of shots on target.

Not really, it always goes back to one single game. A game that didn't particularly matter, and at a point that we already knew Emery lost the team and was a dead man walking.

That's a nothing crime in comparison to take an EL finalist team one point off 4th, destroy it to make it a team that fails to make it into Europe, and then waste our warchest to make it a team uncapable to make it past any semifinal. There are clearly other reasons people are still attached.

You can basically boil it down to two reasons: Fear of going back to not spend hundreds of millions in transfer windows (something we have only seen regularly under this regime) and desire to have their faith repaid on Pep's disciple. The first one has nothing to do with the manager, the second is sunk cost fallacy. There's nothing else there.

It's pretty obvious at this point he can end up 5th in a 2 horse race and people will still have time for another season of Artetaball, because in Artetaball what matters is the transfer windows, not the football.

 

[fute]

Raya made some good saves against PSG too.

 

[El Realista]

Fly down to Playa del Carmen and join @El Realista 's orgies, I guess

Since Farzad got banned he can't get out of swinger clubs here. I constantly telling him he should try orgies with women actually but he was so dependent to AM boys that this is the only way he remembers us.

 

[El Realista]

Think the problem was that under Emery's last season, crap teams came to our carpet and were feasting with records after records. One of those were amount of shots on target.

For me that was just embarrassing and loss of dressing room. If this happens under Arteta trust me even Artetasexuals will turn hetero again.

I don't mean Emery didn't deserve the sack, I am talking about he didn't have a cult defending him and telling everyone He is almost perfect and not criticism is needed. He was subject to it and rightly. Now Arteta should be put in the centre of critical analysis not only by us but media which it seems it's finally happening which is good.

 

[OnlyOne]

 

[viktor]

 

[OnlyOne]

I didn't realise it was that bad. I think we've overachieved this season given the injuries.

 

[viktor]

I didn't realise it was that bad. I think we've overachieved this season given the injuries.

we dropped point against fulham away, brighton home, chelshit away, everton home, brentford home, bournemouth home when arguably we still have full squad in all those game (dont mention we missing havertz because merino better than him)

 

[HattoriHanzo]

For now, I will say that UCL campaign isn't the reason to sack Arteta.
These 2 games with PSG were really fine margins, what killed us is our poor execution in front of PSG goal and Donnarumma's perfect performance.

Premier league campaign is completely different thing.

 

[GoonerJay24]

If we don't end up winning a league/CL title with the foundations of this team before a rebuild is required again then it means nothing. If that happens, then even Man U will have had a far better period than us as they've won trophies.

Challenging squads don't come around often for clubs. It took Liverpool decades and when they got the chance, they went all, won everything and have something to show for it. We had to wait almost 20 years just for us to hold back before it becomes a great team. The last two years have been wasted.

Eventually, once Saliba, Gabriel, Saka leave when Madrid/Barca come for them or the squad starts to decline. We will need to start the rebuild again. Then we'll look back and think of how we wasted such good players for one FA cup.

This club needs to wake up. There are high and lows period when you look at the different clubs. We are wasting our high.

We haven't been waiting 20 years but I agree with you. Longer it takes to win, the more difficult it'll be convincing our best players to stay.

This is why I'm really on the fence with Arteta staying or going. Feel the only reason I want him staying is blind faith and continuity.

 

[Xln]

Not really, it always goes back to one single game. A game that didn't particularly matter, and at a point that we already knew Emery lost the team and was a dead man walking.

That's a nothing crime in comparison to take an EL finalist team one point off 4th, destroy it to make it a team that fails to make it into Europe, and then waste our warchest to make it a team uncapable to make it past any semifinal. There are clearly other reasons people are still attached.

You can basically boil it down to two reasons: Fear of going back to not spend hundreds of millions in transfer windows (something we have only seen regularly under this regime) and desire to have their faith repaid on Pep's disciple. The first one has nothing to do with the manager, the second is sunk cost fallacy. There's nothing else there.

It's pretty obvious at this point he can end up 5th in a 2 horse race and people will still have time for another season of Artetaball, because in Artetaball what matters is the transfer windows, not the football.

You are really leaving out important details that go his way. He won an FA cup and didn't take over a team that was 1 point off 4th, he took over when they were 11th. And that exactly is what I told you in my post. So people having a different attitude towards Emery and Arteta is completely normal, Arteta at peak made us challenge for the EPL title and we were very close. Emery at peak made us challenge for top 4.

 

[HagnSprayGooners]

Interesting weekend coming up for Mikel and the club.

Can't see us winning at Anfield. Potentially nab a draw.

Southampton Vs City (puts City level on points with us)
Bournemouth Vs Villa (think this will confirm Villa finishing below us at least)
Forest Vs Leicester (puts Forest 3 behind us if we lose)
Newcastle Vs Chelsea (the big one, either Newcastle go a point behind us, Chelsea go a point behind us or a draw keeps them both 3 behind us. We want a draw)

 

[HagnSprayGooners]

Next weekend, GW37 gets even more interesting if we drop points at Anfield.

City Vs Bournemouth (tough one for City, but think they'll win as they're in good form, 70 points for them going into the final weekend)
West ham Vs Forest (Forest are crap at the moment but they should win. Can see them being on 67 points going into the final weekend)
Chelsea Vs United (Weird game, you'd expect Chelsea to win but United have hit alright form)
Arsenal Vs Newcastle (They will come to win, they've done it so many times this season as well. We simply have to avoid defeat)

Depending on this weekends result Vs Chelsea, a win for us could mean Newcastle drop out the top 5. Realistically they could be on 64 points going into the final weekend.

My pessimistic opinion on the table going into that final weekend -

Liverpool (C)
City - 70 points (WW)
Arsenal - 68 points (LD)
Forest - 67 points (WW)
Chelsea - 67 points (DW)
Newcastle - 65 points (DD)

A win changes everything for a lot of teams. It's a bit sketchy for us if we lose both and go into Southampton away needing to win ngl...

 

[shoot for the top]

You are really leaving out important details that go his way. He won an FA cup and didn't take over a team that was 1 point off 4th, he took over when they were 11th. And that exactly is what I told you in my post. So people having a different attitude towards Emery and Arteta is completely normal, Arteta at peak made us challenge for the EPL title and we were very close. Emery at peak made us challenge for top 4.

Emery never had an opportunity to peak. I don’t even support him staying either.

 

[Riou]

In one of the endless universes out there Mikel is a genius and the greatest manager of all time, but in all the rest (including ours) he's the humanoid (not fully human, tbf) version of this film...

 

[Mrs Bergkamp]

It's more nuanced than the headline but when the fans screamed that top 4 was not as good as a trophy, it's hard to now argue as vehemently especially if Amorim wins the (weakened format) EL. We needed to spend big but having done so, we can't excuse every single failure to get to and over the line.