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Mikel Arteta: Top Of The Klopps

North_Bank_Gooner

Commander of the Coneboy Brigade
What a great manager Klopp is, he keeps winning despite all the injuries and bringing through players from the academy who are performing and delivering.

Coneboy on the other hand, has no plan B, hates the academy and a few more injuries would result in a total capitulation, like with salibas injury last season.
 

Dennis_Bergkamp_10

Established Member
What a great manager Klopp is, he keeps winning despite all the injuries and bringing through players from the academy who are performing and delivering.

Coneboy on the other hand, has no plan B, hates the academy and a few more injuries would result in a total capitulation, like with salibas injury last season.

Klopp won the FA Cup once in 8 years. In the other 7 attempts, he never got past the fifth round.

But yeah. Boohoo coneboy.
 

Multipass

Active Member
Mik is never leaving the cult he has created where he is treated as a multi European champion and fans chant his name 10 times more than any player. He has one of the most patient and richest owners who are enthralled to his PR worse than the fan base. He has money, a giant club, rich owners in his pocket, fanbase swilling his just like Pep propaganda and he doesn’t really have to win anything. Xavi is massively over performing and Barca basically forced him out. Mik is massively underperforming his money and our fans want to already erect the statue and rename us Arteta FC
I prefer we go with Artetanal FC
 

Henry boi

Well-Known Member
What's up with this fetish arsenal fans have of our players or manager leaving
Like some get a hard on by the thought of Saliba in a Madrid jersey or Mikel lifting the Champions league with Barca
 

Henry boi

Well-Known Member

I'm sure this will resonate with many of us here.
I mean City produces cracking football at times, and the Centurions probably played some of the best football ever seen in English football next to Arsène's Arsenal, also in this current run Arsenal have played some lovely stuff
I feel like the 'football is boring now' is going overboard a bit, but what i will say is the game is missing genuine super stars of outrageous ability, probably the last one we had was Neymar before him you Zidane, Henry, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, Riquelm, Figo, Deco, Kaka etc, no one comes close nowadays.
 

Blood on the Tracks

AG's best friend, role model and mentor.
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What football is missing from an entertainment stand point is individuality and spontaneity.

Unless you're a Messi or Mbappe level talent everyone is a cog in the wheel and you have to be an all rounder, every facet of your game has to be to a decent standard.

If you don't have the work rate levels and defensive acumen you're going to really struggle to make an impact at the top, top level as an attacking player, for example.

It maybe annoys from an attacking perspective but you have to look at it from the defensive side too. Defenders aren't just straight up defenders anymore you have to be a good all round footballer, we can see that with players like Saliba, Gabriel even Timber and White. Defenders that are actually ballers and there's great faith put in them to actually play.

There's no place in the modern game for an Özil type, which may grate but you're not going to see a Martin Keown or Steve Bould type ( Very good nuts and bolts CB's but not overly comfortable or expansive on the ball) at CB for Arsenal either.

Even with goalkeepers their shot stopping abilities aren't really valued any higher than how comfortable they are with ball and feet and distribution.
 

El Duderino

That's, like, your opinion, man.
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What football is missing from an entertainment stand point is individuality and spontaneity.

Unless you're a Messi or Mbappe level talent everyone is a cog in the wheel and you have to be an all rounder, every facet of your game has to be to a decent standard.

If you don't have the work rate levels and defensive acumen you're going to really struggle to make an impact at the top, top level as an attacking player, for example.

It maybe annoys from an attacking perspective but you have to look at it from the defensive side too. Defenders aren't just straight up defenders anymore you have to be a good all round footballer, we can see that with players like Saliba, Gabriel even Timber and White. Defenders that are actually ballers and there's great faith put in them to actually play.

There's no place in the modern game for an Özil type, which may grate but you're not going to see a Martin Keown or Steve Bould type ( Very good nuts and bolts CB's but not overly comfortable or expansive on the ball) at CB for Arsenal either.

Even with goalkeepers their shot stopping abilities aren't really valued any higher than how comfortable they are with ball and feet and distribution.

At least we don't need sleeping pills anymore!
 

Penn_

Established Member
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What a great manager Klopp is, he keeps winning despite all the injuries and bringing through players from the academy who are performing and delivering.

Coneboy on the other hand, has no plan B, hates the academy and a few more injuries would result in a total capitulation, like with salibas injury last season.

You do realise the current string of results is from using a plan b?
 

GoonerJay24

Well-Known Member
What football is missing from an entertainment stand point is individuality and spontaneity.

Unless you're a Messi or Mbappe level talent everyone is a cog in the wheel and you have to be an all rounder, every facet of your game has to be to a decent standard.

If you don't have the work rate levels and defensive acumen you're going to really struggle to make an impact at the top, top level as an attacking player, for example.

It maybe annoys from an attacking perspective but you have to look at it from the defensive side too. Defenders aren't just straight up defenders anymore you have to be a good all round footballer, we can see that with players like Saliba, Gabriel even Timber and White. Defenders that are actually ballers and there's great faith put in them to actually play.

There's no place in the modern game for an Özil type, which may grate but you're not going to see a Martin Keown or Steve Bould type ( Very good nuts and bolts CB's but not overly comfortable or expansive on the ball) at CB for Arsenal either.

Even with goalkeepers their shot stopping abilities aren't really valued any higher than how comfortable they are with ball and feet and distribution.

I think there's a place for all players, but it's about the managers playing style. Every team doesn't have to play out from the back for example, to accommodate defenders like Bould or Keown. They were still great players regardless of their passing or first touch
 

Blood on the Tracks

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I think there's a place for all players, but it's about the managers playing style. Every team doesn't have to play out from the back for example, to accommodate defenders like Bould or Keown. They were still great players regardless of their passing or first touch

I agree, and it's definitely true of non elite sides.

I think for the very best sides though it's about dominating possession and controlling the ball. I think for that you need defenders who are very comfortable on the ball and can play out from the back to a high standard. Maybe to a degree they don't need to be quite as good traditional CB's as previous eras.

It's no knock on Bould or Keown though. They're of a era where different things were expected of CB's. I rate both of them very highly.
 

db10_therza

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I think there's a place for all players, but it's about the managers playing style. Every team doesn't have to play out from the back for example, to accommodate defenders like Bould or Keown. They were still great players regardless of their passing or first touch

Yeah, there’s broadly two paradigms: 1) Build the team around the players or (2) Define a system and buy players who fit within that.

Arteta is obviously of the second persuasion. I think a lot of the people here that dislike his methods mainly have a problem with this paradigm.

Fwiw I think over long timeframes, the second option almost always outperforms. Not just in football either… just as a general strategy it’s a good idea because it gives continuity, decreases key man risk, enables alignment of different parts of the operation etc (think recruitment). It comes with a large upfront cost as you need to buy a whole bunch of new players, but again over a long timeframe it is usually more efficient (you need better quality players to get the same results if you’re going to rely on individualism as opposed to team work).
 

Farzad Stoned

Self-appointed Deprogrammer for the Cult of Mik 🟥

Country: USA

Player:Havertz

Still we're competing with them thanks to our great manager! Sad that some of our own "fans" downplay what we have done based on spending without understanding that everyone around us are also spending.
But those clubs win things with their money; Mik gives you guys positive vibes and their fans get real trophies to celebrate
 

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