The Solihull Slob
Maybe Arteta has no faith in those above him? Maybe the structure is wrong atm? This is all more than just “we love Wenger, let’s bring him back home”.
I think something is wrong.
I think something is wrong.
Nobody has given a good reason to bring Wenger back, other than some fluffy, romantic, sentimental etc, thing about him being a grandparent who’ll share wisdom.
You’ll have to create a powerful role for him where he’s going to call some shots, this then causes it’s own problems.
Couple of years ago most of us wanted a clean break from Wenger and how he worked, and now just 3 years later it’s “bring him home”.
3 years is a VERY small time.
None of this makes sense, and some of you guys are trying to wrap this up in a cuddly way, but I’m not buying it.
We’ve got rid of all his scouts etc. There are people who were scouting for 25 years for Wenger and we ditched them. We have new systems in place.
What youth development are you talking about anyway? We’re signing established players for big prices now.
This doesn’t compare well to the fact that WE bought Guendouzi for 7M.We're not signing established players for big prices though.
The only one you could argue price wise is White and he's far from the finished product.
The likes of Tomi, Ramsdale, Ødegaard and to a lesser extent Tavares and Lokonga etc are going for the sort of price you'd expect a talented but unfinished product in their early 20's to go for these days.
It's not a decade or so ago where you get a fully formed top class player for £30m anymore.
If your saying the likes of those guys and Saka, ESR, Balogun, Nelson etc wouldn't benefit from a few words of wisdom and pieces of advice for Wenger, I don't know what to say.
Thanks Barry I could have gone on for longer but decided to end it lol.Think you made some excellent points in there tbf - this is all about expectations. It's not right or wrong. Wenger lost support because his teams were not improving; Arteta gains support because his team looks like it is getting better. It's unfair in absolute terms but that's just football. Leicester fans are going to kick off if they get mid table; Leeds are considering sacking Bielsa. Football is a tough game and teams are always striving to be number one, even if that means forgetting that that grass can be greener...
That applies equally to the most fervent Arteta outters on this forum as it did to the Wenger Out crowd by the way. A certain irony in that.
And if we're being honest, Arsène missed a great window of opportunity to push this club further and consolidate us in that area instead of bring us back into the muck of the 4-6 crowd (saying nothing of winning leagues, which I think was a very realistic prospect for him and this club from 2010-2016 given the competition). Under Arsène in our last few years Poch's Tottenham surpassed us, instead of Arsène pushing us onto another level where we were head and shoulders above them, as City and Liverpool did.I honestly think when you Look at the money spent & the quality of managers in the prem it is harder than ever.
Top 6 now is probably the new top 4.
You make some valid points.And if we're being honest, Arsène missed a great window of opportunity to push this club further and consolidate us in that area instead of bring us back into the muck of the 4-6 crowd (saying nothing of winning leagues, which I think was a very realistic prospect for him and this club from 2010-2016 given the competition). Under Arsène in our last few years Poch's Tottenham surpassed us, instead of Arsène pushing us onto another level where we were head and shoulders above them, as City and Liverpool did.
People really have to be a bit more honest about the changing landscape of the league and the competition Arsène faced and how he fared against it versus the current level of competition, it's a really empty analysis if you just say 'well, Arsène had us finishing top 4 until his last season, and look where we are now.'
No one is an Arteta fan, we are Arsenal fans. If Arteta doesn’t get results I am completely cool with him getting fired. Do you think if we finish 8th again there is a significant percentage of people that want him back? Saying a guy shouldn’t be fired immediately is not the same as being his fan.Mostly Artetas fans that want Wenger back?
Our Xg exceeded our goals in the last game & we saw 2 great goals that Arsène would have enjoyed tbfThe same posters loving Arteta’s poor football, low xG, lack of goals and eighth place finishes still whinging about Arsène not winning the league. Hilarious stuff.