Mikel Arteta: Winner 🤴

[Trilly]

They are scared to not make a mistake which puts them under pressure resulting in them making a mistake.

His sideline manner has pissed me off for a long but but believe it or not I do try to be fair in my criticisms of him and I’ve seen plenty of managers be madmen on the sideline and still win things.

However I think Arteta being the face of the club + the methods he uses to motivate the players + the type of characters he likes to recruit + the pressure of this title challenge all form a perfect storm where he does seem to have a very negative effective on the team from the sidelines.

Idk if it’s just the sidelines or also things he’s saying to them in the dressing room but it is not normal for a team to have been terrified since January (there were even some hints as early as December if some of you remember).

Arteta and his coaching staff need to sit down in a room, lock the doors and not leave until they’ve thought of something. Whether that’s a subtle tactical shift, or getting the players in for extra sessions to work on beating this new half press tactic or maybe even Arteta just changing his approach and remaining chill on the sidelines.

Something has to give because there is a significant chance of this being the greatest bottle job in football history? And the online banter bordering on abuse we the fans are going to get isn’t even going to be funny.

 

[Trilly]

He’ll immediately go to a big European club and have success of those leagues where there are only three decent teams. Not many managers will be as in demand as him.

There’s a manager better than him in every top five league.

Also think you’re overrating a guy who has a less than 40% win rate in April, struggles with signing quality attackers and seems unable to master the balance between attacking freedom and defensive solidarity.

Arteta isn’t some top top elite manager that’s going to win as soon as he goes to another league. PSG and Bayern are very happy with their managers and he’s never work out at Madrid.

So where’s he going to go to have success?

 

[Batman]

Meanwhile Arteta: " I am Arsenal legend, love this club and know the league very well, you can tolerate seasons without titles and trust the process, right lads ?

@Riou Can you imagine he actually thinks this?

 

[Trilly]

I hate how good this is

Only had to change one letter

 

[TriniGunner]

Aside from him being a coward & an arrogant, unlikeable c*nt, he's now got the stench of perpetual failure firmly attached to him.

His name at Arsenal will forever be a byword for failure on a grand scale & that is nothing less than his obstanite "tactics" deserve.

If we persist with him, we signal to every prospective new recruit that we're happy to maintain the status quo, because, make no mistake, if he remains here, City will surpass us as England's third most successful club in terms of league titles in a few seasons.

I won't agree with that completely. He did manage to change the culture of the club from where he got it and he actually got the fans and team connected again. Unfortunately for him, there's one thing that all subsequent managers post Wenger is going to be judged by, and that's the team's ability to win the league over a 38 game season. I've seen Klopp lose players and Liverpool still looking like a Klopp coached team. We lose 2 players and we really look like an Cartier version of Stoke City. It's embarrassing.

 

[Tir Na Nog]

Options 2 and 3 are essentially the same thing no?

 

[Batman]

One thing that I do feel is a little overblown in the discussion about a "low technical level". I feel that even if it's unintended by people saying it that it absolves the manager of responsibility for the failings of his system.

While it's obvious that more technically gifted players probably are more desirable for our particular brand of low margin football, I think the notion that you can't create a functional attack without elite technicians is wrong. At every level of football there are basic principles of attack which work pretty universally.

Many of these teams that we've been struggling against are not overflowing with technical quality, yet they look dangerous against us because of things as simple as being willing to aggressively attack vacated space with pace and intent and then doubling and tripling down on attacking our vulnerable areas.

I think that before we examine the technical level, we really have to think about the philosophy of the attack and how antithetical it is to producing easy chances. We add a needless degree of difficulty which would require elite technicians throughout the team to function well when the reality is that the players we have are more than capable of getting the job done in a more basic attacking system that caters to what they do well.

 

[A_G]

Options 2 and 3 are essentially the same thing no?

Yeah, was confused about which one to pick

 

[Sammy1887]

Only downside of renewing Teta if we don't win anything would be that next season all our players will be in free fall and we might struggle for UCL positions. I really don't think the players can go another of Teta's seasons with the same tactics.

 

[Tourbillion]

Imagine going to PSG and asking for Madueke and Havertz. They would laugh him out of the room. Dembele would hand in a transfer request if he had to play with Gyökeres.

 

[Penn_]

White, Gabriel, Havertz, Ødegaard, Saka have all been overplayed in previous years and seen physical decline.

Next on the block appears to Timber, Rice and Zubimendi.

 

[Heavy Duty Rom]

Gyok’s weaknesses exacerbate the weaknesses we already have in our front line but after almost a full season now I think it’s fair to say that he’s not really the problem here.

He is, in the sense we can't get up the pitch with him upfront, we can't go long with him. Like Trossard/Martienlli and Madueke, get the ball to them and it just comes straight back. We somehow still find ourselves dependent on Saka, who has been well off it himself.

Had we signed a quality attacker, we'd have been a lot better off, still have Arteta issues as you say, but better off.

 

[El Duderino]

One thing that I do feel is a little overblown in the discussion about a "low technical level". I feel that even if it's unintended by people saying it that it absolves the manager of responsibility for the failings of his system.

While it's obvious that more technically gifted players probably are more desirable for our particular brand of low margin football, I think the notion that you can't create a functional attack without elite technicians is wrong. At every level of football there are basic principles of attack which work pretty universally.

Many of these teams that we've been struggling against are not overflowing with technical quality, yet they look dangerous against us because of things as simple as being willing to aggressively attack vacated space with pace and intent and then doubling and tripling down on attacking our vulnerable areas.

I think that before we examine the technical level, we really have to think about the philosophy of the attack and how antithetical it is to producing easy chances. We add a needless degree of difficulty which would require elite technicians throughout the team to function well when the reality is that the players we have are more than capable of getting the job done in a more basic attacking system that caters to what they do well.

Spells where farmers league sporting was out passing us on the eye test. Same with Bournemouth.

They do not have more technical players than us overall.

 

[Bradpiff]

Genuinely, how many ****ing free hits does one manager get?

I swear you lot do my head in with this rubbish.

Just like the manager they are scared

 

[El Duderino]

It won't be pretty for him, especially if he has aspirations to one day coach Barca/Madrid/PSG.

At the super clubs, the players call the shots. They don't care if you were a club legend or not, the players come first and the board will side with them in any dispute.

There are two major issues stopping Arteta from entering the S-tier of coaches. 1) His cowardice. 2) His refusal to buy elite attacking talent. Imagine going to PSG and asking for Madueke and Havertz. They would laugh him out of the room. Dembele would hand in a transfer request if he had to play with Gyökeres.

Imagine trying to get dembele to stop eating McDonald's?

 

[Batman]

Spells where farmers league sporting was out passing us on the eye test. Same with Bournemouth.

They do not have more technical players than us overall.

Exactly. They just went out there looking to exploit where we were vulnerable. Target the space vacated by our fullbacks when we lose the ball and press us into nervous moments when we're building up. Simple stuff. No tactical genius required.

 

[Trilly]

BREAKING

New poll is up for the next 5 days.

FYI this is a personal opinion thing not what you think the club might do.

I’m quite sure that he’s never going to be that guy so it should be a straightforward sacked regardless but it’s impossible to ignore the floor he grants the club. The consequences of a poor next hire really concern me.

But let’s say there were guarantees that someone like Glasner/Iraiola could make the step up to a top club, Cesc is the guy they’re all saying he appears to be or one of the top guys out there became available then I’d move on Arteta regardless.

I’m finding it very difficult to see the wholesale change in on field tactics and player recruitment that makes me think his ceiling is going to change. Right now the ceiling is that of a team who wins a league every few years when rivals fall off, and maybe a cup every 5 years?

IMO the poll doesn’t quite reflect the complexity of the Arteta situation. There are:

Those who don’t rate him and want him out regardless

Those who don’t rate him but wouldn’t sack him for just anyone - I think I’m here

Those who rate him but this season is there last chance for him

Those who rate him and back him long term

 

[El Duderino]

I’m quite sure that he’s never going to be that guy so it should be a straightforward sacked regardless but it’s impossible to ignore the floor he grants the club. The consequences of a poor next hire really concern me.

But let’s say there were guarantees that someone like Glasner/Iraiola could make the step up to a top club, Cesc is the guy they’re all saying he appears to be or one of the top guys out there became available then I’d move on Arteta regardless.

I’m finding it very difficult to see the wholesale change in on field tactics and player recruitment that makes me think his ceiling is going to change. Right now the ceiling is that of a team who wins a league every few years when rivals fall off, and maybe a cup every 5 years?

IMO the poll doesn’t quite reflect the complexity of the Arteta situation. There are:

Those who don’t rate him and want him out regardless

Those who don’t rate him but wouldn’t sack him for just anyone - I think I’m here

Those who rate him but this season is there last chance for him

Those who rate him and back him long term

Yeah I'm with you that I would sack him only for a top tier guy or prospect atm.

But I'm done with this football. If this is what we get next season I'll try my best to check out.

 

[Trilly]

Yeah I'm with you that I would sack him only for a top tier guy or prospect atm.

But I'm done with this football. If this is what we get next season I'll try my best to check out.

That’s me exactly. Don’t bring in a Ten Hag or Amorim, take your time and get someone that’s actually good.

In the meantime I’ll just adjust my expectations/investment.

 

[ArsenalInMyHeart]

F*** you Arteta... Look at how the team wants to win play