Mikel Arteta: Winner 🤴

[North5]

 

[Trilly]

You know what's mad? If any of those clubs had spent that money and become regular title challengers they'd be used as an example of why Arteta and Arsenal FC are doing nothing special. Yet, when they're spending that money and not challenging, they're just discounted

Can't make it up.

 

[DJ_Markstar]

What’s the point of including a shambolic Manchester United or Chelsea in any benchmarking when we know they’ve been run terribly and undergone so much managerial change in recent years?

Three main reasons I can think of

1. Their spending affects the market we're trading in
2. Players have decided to go to those clubs instead of us due to that spend (Ukraine Bolt/Sesko etc.)
3. They're 2 of the only clubs with similar resources to us in our league, so if not them then who are we even comparing to?

 

[DJ_Markstar]

Any actual response?

 

[DJ_Markstar]

Like I said we’ve been neck and neck with City for points since 22/23. We’ve finished QF, SF and now reached the final of the CL in the last 3 seasons. We haven’t managed to get it over the line but you can’t say we haven’t been competing.

Its funny when you compare our spend to specifically Sp**s in the timeframe Mikel has been at Arsenal since they were in a CL final and now we are instead while they're facing relegation

Imagine they get relegated and we do a European double in the same season on the same spend

 

[Makingtrax]

Its funny when you compare our spend to specifically Sp**s in the timeframe Mikel has been at Arsenal since they were in a CL final and now we are instead while they're facing relegation

Imagine they get relegated and we do a European double in the same season on the same spend

You guys can keep celebrating that Mikel’s doing better than the worst performing club in the league, but I’m not sure he’d thank you for it. If he wins two trophies he’ll have done better than the two clubs who have been bossing the trophies over the last few years and that’s what we should be focussing on and praising him for.

And the owners, for now knocking our net spend out of the park. Around twice Liverpool’s in the time Arteta’s been here. Arteta would be the first to admit he couldn’t have done it without this superb squad of players bought for him, and let’s face it, we’ve had **** all from sales.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

I think it's fair to compare our spending with the likes of Chelsea, Man Utd etc. They're obviously underachieving but they're a strong indicator that just spending money without good recruitment/ planning doesn't get you where you want to be. It means we are doing something right on the recruitment/ personnel front they a few other clubs struggle with.

Conversely if Man City were 15 points ahead of us and winning everything, would it be unfair to compare our spending to there's because they were performing so much better and severely overachieving on a somewhat comparable financial level? I'd say it wouldn't be.

 

[outlawz]

What’s the point of including a shambolic Manchester United or Chelsea in any benchmarking when we know they’ve been run terribly and undergone so much managerial change in recent years?

We’re operating on a different level to them, they’re rivals due to history and that’s it. You’re not getting it because you’re sure I’m trying to make the club/Arteta look bad.

If you ran the numbers I asked you to you’d see that wasn’t the case but whatever.

The point is about being complete and accurate. I conduct benchmarking exercises as part of my job. If you want to present objective information, you can't pick and choose. You present all the companies/businesses involved in the sector so you can see the outliers, the average, the over/underperformers etc. if you omit any clubs, the first question you will get asked is where is X and more importantly it defeats the entire point of the exercise.

So what the data clearly shows when you present all the teams is who the underachievers are: Chelsea and Man Utd, the overachievers: Arsenal and Liverpool and who is achieving in line with their spending: Man City. That provides a complete and accurate picture - if you omit any of them - it's not complete.

You can present the numbers from the timespan you think is relevant and share your thinking.

 

[Bloodbather]

Pretty funny imagining this

By "some of the players" he really means Zubimendi I reckon.

 

[Tnegs]

You guys can keep celebrating that Mikel’s doing better than the worst performing club in the league, but I’m not sure he’d thank you for it. If he wins two trophies he’ll have done better than the two clubs who have been bossing the trophies over the last few years and that’s what we should be focussing on and praising him for.

And the owners, for now knocking our net spend out of the park. Around twice Liverpool’s in the time Arteta’s been here. Arteta would be the first to admit he couldn’t have done it without this superb squad of players bought for him, and let’s face it, we’ve had **** all from sales.

Why wouldn’t we compare ourselves to teams with a higher squad cost than ours? What happened to your squad cost argument anyway why the shift to net spend? I thought squad cost determined where you finished or does that rule no longer apply.

 

[outlawz]

Why wouldn’t we compare ourselves to teams with a higher squad cost than ours? What happened to your squad cost argument anyway why the shift to net spend? I thought squad cost determined where you finished or does that rule no longer apply.

@Movinggoalpoststrax

He was spot on about Wenger as I defended the great man for the same reason but the way @Makingtrax has slimed his way into a different goalpost regarding Arteta despite him being an Arsenal fan (supposedly) is shameless.

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

Why wouldn’t we compare ourselves to teams with a higher squad cost than ours? What happened to your squad cost argument anyway why the shift to net spend? I thought squad cost determined where you finished or does that rule no longer apply.

Any manager who win trophy against the cheaters a club owned by state and best manager of last 20 years should be praised even if doing it once after 3 failed attempts that's why I highly rate klopp and he had near 100 point season twice and fail to win it because of the cheaters. If Arteta did win it it'll be only him and Klopp that managed to do that I dont care about Slot

 

[Majora]

He obviously liked what he saw vs Fulham but I think a big reason that he went for an unchanged lineup was down to how positively the fans connected with it. He has been very consistent from day one on how important he thinks drawing energy from the crowd is

 

[BigPoppaPump]

Where?

I’ve gone through every post in this thread since we made this final and surprise surprise there hasn’t been one negative post about Mikel, if anything the people who have been critical in past weeks have come out and given him his credit. You are literally making things up now for engagement and everyone who liked your post needs to engage in some critical thinking because it’s giving sheep

You are part of the problem while thinking you’re on some righteous crusade ‍

Mainly your posts tbh, not sure why you keep talking about money spent or ‘self sabotage’. Like yeah he self sabotaged to a CL final and close to winning the league.

Give us a break for one day let us be happy lol.

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

One win against Bayern/PSG away from the club's greatest accomplishment.

While with 4th highest salary, net spend, gross spend, etc. Unreal!

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

He obviously liked what he saw vs Fulham but I think a big reason that he went for an unchanged lineup was down to how positively the fans connected with it. He has been very consistent from day one on how important he thinks drawing energy from the crowd is

Arteta usually does this if he see good performance from certain players he'll keep the same team because there was no reason for him to bench Hincapie he is our top 3 players in 2nd half of season i can understand that MLS replacing Zubi and Rice going to play DM that the change i feel he should have done long time ago because Zubi was struggling and needed some rest because it's his 1st year here and against Fulham it was first game he didn't start he played almost all league games

 

[Makingtrax]

Why wouldn’t we compare ourselves to teams with a higher squad cost than ours? What happened to your squad cost argument anyway why the shift to net spend? I thought squad cost determined where you finished or does that rule no longer apply.

The post yesterday that set everybody off was about net spend and wages. And squad cost never determined where you finished, it’s just a guide to where you really ought to finish if you get the best out of the money you spend, similar with wages. Keep up man.

 

[Makingtrax]

Edited my post since. He basically made it up for engagement

That figures

 

[Artemis]

20 years ago, after we lost the CL against Barca I was depressed thinking about whether I'll get another chance to watch us play again in the CL final in my lifetime.

That's how rare such an occasion is. Thanks Arteta for making it happen.

It shouldn't be a rare occasion for a great club like ours. We've always played great football and had great teams, let's be honest. It's just that it never translated into European success, mainly because we could never defend properly. Arteta is now changing that.

So from now on, it won't be a rare occasion. We better settle in & comfortable.

 

[A_G]

See this is why a few of us have been saying to wait till the season is over before going crazy about Arteta one way or another.

A couple of weeks ago he could do no right on here, now he's the bee's knees.

2-3 good results change everything and a bad one or two might do it again.

Anyway, let's see what's in our trophy cabinet at the end of the season.

Good thing you and I have remained consistent, we weren’t settling for second in February after the Wolves game