Mikel Arteta: Working Jovertime

[lomekian]

You have to give it to the hierarchy of AFC, they plucked Wenger from obscurity, everyone laughed asking who he was and then he immediately won a double and shut everyone up before producing one of the best ever EPL teams and breaking records left and right.

Then once Wenger goes they pluck Arteta from City having never managed a club before and within 3-4 years he's taken us from peak banter era to challenging 115 FC for the title.

Taking risks on talent and specifically managerial talent is ingrained in this club and we seem to get it right. Ironically, it was the proven manager Emery who didn't produce the goods.

Likewise with George Graham

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1845683450088468587

The circus.

No wonder Arteta had Edu paying half of thesr freaks to leave.

 

[Bloodbather]

You have to give it to the hierarchy of AFC, they plucked Wenger from obscurity, everyone laughed asking who he was and then he immediately won a double and shut everyone up before producing one of the best ever EPL teams and breaking records left and right.

Then once Wenger goes they pluck Arteta from City having never managed a club before and within 3-4 years he's taken us from peak banter era to challenging 115 FC for the title.

Taking risks on talent and specifically managerial talent is ingrained in this club and we seem to get it right. Ironically, it was the proven manager Emery who didn't produce the goods.

We've had an interesting pattern since George Graham as well. Graham for 9 years, Rioch for 1 year, Wenger for 22 years, Emery for 1 year, Arteta for 5 years and counting.

We get it wrong and abandon it immediately before getting it right with a risky hire and having a long era.

You could stretch it further with Terry Neill for 7 years and Don Howe for 2.5 years before Graham, but 2.5 probably isn't short enough to fit the pattern. Graham fits the risky hire that pays off thing, too, though.

 

[DJ_Markstar]

Worth mentioning that when you put FC at the end of a club name this usually stands for "Football Club" but in 115 FC's case it stands for "Financial Charges"

 

[musoke]

But if some f

You have to give it to the hierarchy of AFC, they plucked Wenger from obscurity, everyone laughed asking who he was and then he immediately won a double and shut everyone up before producing one of the best ever EPL teams and breaking records left and right.

Then once Wenger goes they pluck Arteta from City having never managed a club before and within 3-4 years he's taken us from peak banter era to challenging 115 FC for the title.

Taking risks on talent and specifically managerial talent is ingrained in this club and we seem to get it right. Ironically, it was the proven manager Emery who didn't produce the goods.

But if it was up to our fans then Arteta would have gone after about 9 months into Arsenal managerial job.. Many wanted him sacked by October 2020.

 

[Tnegs]

But if some f

But if it was up to our fans then Arteta would have gone after about 9 months into Arsenal managerial job.. Many wanted him sacked by October 2020.

I didn’t see it in the first few year years I wanted him gone by the end of the second season. Kronekes played a blinder backing this guy and the project all the way fair play to them.

 

[musoke]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1845683450088468587

The circus.

No wonder Arteta had Edu paying half of thesr freaks to leave.

The guy who covered his eyes with the Red covid mask couldn’t take those Dark Time. Those were tough times.. But I bet he prefers these Dark Arts times much better. lol

 

[hydrofluoric acid]

The guy who covered his eyes with the Red covid mask couldn’t take those Dark Time. Those were tough times.. But I bet he prefers these Dark Arts times much better. lol

Still some people who miss all the goofing, laughing and dancing from our star players.

 

[Farzad]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844358732731609204

...this is clearly @Farzad account asking the real questions.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844359001292886038

... likewise here you clearly have @SA Gunner account asking equally real questions of Farzad!

#ExcitingTimes

Is there a joke in there? Am I freaking literal minded German but i fail to see the joke.

 

[Macho]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5852970/2024/10/18/mikel-arteta-england-tuchel/

Arsenal manager Mikel Arteta says he would have changed his international allegiance from Spain to England during his playing career.

The 42-year-old spent 11 years of his playing career in England across spells with Everton and Arsenal.

Arteta — who was never capped at international level — played in the same generation when Spain, the nation of his birth, had Xavi, Andres Iniesta, Sergio Busquets, David Silva, Santi Cazorla, Xabi Alonso and Marcos Senna.

In 2010, when Spain won the World Cup, then-England manager Fabio Capello and the Football Association (FA) made an attempt to convert Arteta into an England international.

“I was thinking about that the other day,” Arteta said on Friday. “I was actually talking to Edu about that at lunch. I would have done it. I feel very proud about it.

“I was very realistic, looking at the players Spain had at the time, and how big a challenge I had. You need to know your level, that is very important. Look in the mirror. In the end, it didn’t happen. But it was good, at least to think about it.”

Arteta not making the switch to England was due to stricter rules around dual nationality players than the ones currently in place.

The former midfielder had been playing in England for five years but had been capped by Spain’s Under-21 team, a hurdle that is not in place now — as seen with Declan Rice, who has made over 50 England appearances despite playing for Ireland’s youth sides and senior team three times.

“It was OK. If you cannot do it, you cannot do it. I wasn’t prepared to fight against the world.” Arteta said.

Asked about his views on a foreign manager taking charge of England’s national team following Thomas Tuchel’s appointment as England head coach, he added: “I understand the opinions and the feelings. That’s the FA’s responsibility to say the first filter is only English managers or the filters are any manager from any country and we select the best for the moment that we’re in right now.

“I understand that it can feel sad for some people not to have an English manager. History tells you how important this could be as well.

“I think I would take a lot of pride as well that a lot of managers and a lot of people would do anything to be the England manager. That’s related to how we’re treated in this country as foreigners. How much we love the passion, the respect, the history and the way that things are done in this country. I can say personally that you feel so related to where you are even if you are not from here. I think there are very few countries that could say that.”

“I look English, I’ve been here so long. I’ll tell you right now, the feeling I have, for me this is like home. I’ve been here for 22 years. I have that feeling towards it because I always feel respected, welcomed and inspired by this country and the history of football and how you get treated daily. I think that’s something you should be really proud of as a country.”

Arsenal have four players who have been capped by England (Bukayo Saka, Rice, Raheem Sterling and Ben White). Saka and Rice were in the latest squad this month, while Sterling and White have not made a squad since the 2022 World Cup.

Asked what Tuchel’s appointment could mean for his England internationals, Arteta added: “They (Arsenal’s England internationals) are going to learn a lot. He’s one of the best coaches in the world in my opinion, the way his teams are set up. It’s a very exciting time.

“I spoke to a few of the players and they had a smile on their faces straight away. That’s a good sign.”

I remember being all for this at the time. Maybe England could have done something with Arteta at the base of midfield?

 

[jones]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5852970/2024/10/18/mikel-arteta-england-tuchel/

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I remember being all for this at the time. Maybe England could have done something with Arteta at the base of midfield?

Arteta lubing the PGMOL and Sky gammons up to curry favour, have to say I respect it.

 

[Macho]

Arteta lubing the PGMOL and Sky gammons up to curry favour, have to say I respect it.

Nah, he's had a consistent viewpoint for years and Mikel is basically more English than Spanish at this point.

If you really deep it, Arteta saw the generational talent at Spain and is doing the exact same thing many Africans and Caribbeans do. They get to 29 years old and realise England/France are never calling them up then reluctantly turn out for their home nation.

Eddie Nketah > Ghana is pending *taps watch*

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

If he were good enough to play for Spain he wouldn't be talking up how he feels English / respects the culture etc.

It's a diplomatic answer but I don't read too much into it.

For a short window Arteta would have been good for England, but it would have only been a year or two. He was pretty done physically after that.

 

[jones]

Nah, he's had a consistent viewpoint for years and Mikel is basically more English than Spanish at this point.

If you really deep it, Arteta saw the generational talent at Spain and is doing the exact same thing many Africans and Caribbeans do. They get to 29 years old and realise England/France are never calling them up then reluctantly turn out for their home nation.

Eddie Nketah > Ghana is pending *taps watch*

Agree with the overall point but I don't think Arteta is more English than Spanish like at all. If you mean in football terms sure but from his accent I suspect he speaks Spanish exclusively at home. I also remember reading something about him insisting on his kids all being born in Bizkaia, frequent trips back home etc fairly sure he's just chatting sh*t.

 

[Macho]

If he were good enough to play for Spain he wouldn't be talking up how he feels English / respects the culture etc.

It's a diplomatic answer but I don't read too much into it.

For a short window Arteta would have been good for England, but it would have only been a year or two. He was pretty done physically after that.

They could have given Arteta a run out or two and he would have treasured it for life. They didn't have to do him like that, he was good enough for Spain in my opinion.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

They could have given Arteta a run out or two and he would have treasured it for life. They didn't have to do him like that, he was good enough for Spain in my opinion.

I think he was just unfortunate the generation he was in.

I think in virtually any other era of Spanish football he'd have been a 20+ capped player.

I agree it's a bit weird they didn't give him a meaningless friendly or two just to have a look at him though.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

Plus I think there's an element of out of sight out of mind when it comes to players not playing in their own countrys league, particularly back then.

Playing at Rangers then Everton isn't going to get you much fanfare back in Spain and by the time he got here and got a bit more spotlight it was probably thought that boat had sailed, with younger / better talents to focus on.

 

[Yousif Arsenal]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5852970/2024/10/18/mikel-arteta-england-tuchel/

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I remember being all for this at the time. Maybe England could have done something with Arteta at the base of midfield?

I remember before he joined us in 2011 then there were talks about england calling him up but never happened

 

[Macho]

I remember before he joined us in 2011 then there were talks about england calling him up but never happened

Yup it was Capello, who was there from 2007-12. I think they should have let him do it but if it became a big thing I can see why they left it.

Glad you can change from U23 and Senior teams now anyways, but I would still prefer further flexibility to better reflect how complex nationalities and identity can be in the modern day.

 

[A_G]

“I look English

Interesting.