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Mikel Starteta Wars - Phase IV: A Newaneri Hope

Should Arteta’s position as manager be under threat if we don’t win the PL or CL?


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Mrs Bergkamp

Double Dusted
I feel like those are 2 separate questions.

I don’t believe Arteta deliberately started the season slowly to save energy. I believe he deliberately played like that because he thought at the time it’s the best way to get results.

I do believe we have the capacity and ability to go on a long run in the second half of the season.

Imo we started the season the way we did because Arteta started overthinking due to injuries and tough positions. Which is a weakness of his.
I think this is my view when I'm not annoyed but I still feel he was wrong. As you say, he overthinks.
 

BigPoppaPump

Reeling from Laca & Kos nightmares
@Iwobeast @Macho @db10_therza @BigPoppaPump thanks for the reasoned responses. It's a multi layered point but I do think he got the early season tactics wrong. Hooe we reset from the CL on Wednesday. My concern is that every ex pro says that it's hard to turn form on and off so here's to an overextended winning run.
I don’t really buy it myself because the first half of the season form was mainly why we never won the league and we collapsed in December last season.

That’s more like an issue that needs to be fixed rather than an actual working strategy.
 

HattoriHanzo

Well-Known Member

Country: Croatia
Question- it was suggested that Arteta deliberately started the season slowly to save energy and in order to hide some of his tactics. Do we all agree that this is rubbish or dies anyone really thing that were gearing up for a blistering second half of the season?
Maybe at the start of the season Arteta just wants to make some tweaks to improve the game, that is how I see it.
Nothing more than that.
Win brings you 3 points in September, same as in April.
 

Mrs Bergkamp

Double Dusted
Maybe at the start of the season Arteta just wants to make some tweaks to improve the game, that is how I see it.
Nothing more than that.
Win brings you 3 points in September, same as in April.
True. A win is a win but the early season looked like a slogfest. When we won, it rarely looked easy. Whatever the tweaks are, they could be better as we still made hard work of a tactically astute Fulham-just like we did this time last year. Being a point better off is good but the significant signs of improvement, if any, were lost on me.
 

HattoriHanzo

Well-Known Member

Country: Croatia
True. A win is a win but the early season looked like a slogfest. When we won, it rarely looked easy. Whatever the tweaks are, they could be better as we still made hard work of a tactically astute Fulham-just like we did this time last year. Being a point better off is good but the significant signs of improvement, if any, were lost on me.
Preseason is the time when the squad prepared for season, tactics, fitness, everything.
But it's just preseason, no competitive football matches.
When season actually starts with competitive football, coach might notice that he has to tweak something, players ar still raw, they lack match fitness, therefore football is still not fluent.
This is why early season doesn't look so convincing.

That being said, season 2022/23 was complete opposite.
We looked so good at the start of the season, and in last 9 matches we imploded.
 

Sebastes

Statbomb Merchant

Country: Sweden
I’ve lost faith in xG.

0.03 might be probability if you put in a fan from the stands through on goal but not for a professional footballer there. Ok awkward angle but 1on1 with keeper.
Thing is xG is based on data on how professional footballers have performed taking shots from different positions, at different game states, with different body parts and with potential bodies between the ball and goal.

So the probability is literally how professional footballers have performed taking shots from the same position and circumstances.
 

Red London

Anti-Simp Culture
Thing is xG is based on data on how professional footballers have performed taking shots from different positions, at different game states, with different body parts and with potential bodies between the ball and goal.

So the probability is literally how professional footballers have performed taking shots from the same position and circumstances.
I just can’t believe that there’s only a 5% chance a professional player scores from there. I don’t get it. So 100 people were in that position and only 5 scored?

Surely it’s 10-20% minimum.
 

Rasmi

Prophet of Doom

Country: England
Last season was Artetas peak. Everything went his way and he still couldn’t get over the line. I really don’t see him ever having a league season like that rest of his career. The similarities to Brendan Rodgers team Liverpool team that just fell short are uncanny. Unlike Brendan Arteta will have 3-4 more seasons of that one season and it has earned him full control of the club. Buckle up…things are slowly gonn go downhill from here
 

Sebastes

Statbomb Merchant

Country: Sweden
I just can’t believe that there’s only a 5% chance a professional player scores from there. I don’t get it. So 100 people were in that position and only 5 scored?

Surely it’s 10-20% minimum.
That’s what it means. I didn’t catch the game and only saw a replay, but it was a bad angle and far out. Wouldn’t say that’s a goal in 5 or even 10 myself.
 

El Realista

Well-Known Member

Country: Mexico

Player:Zinchenko
It's 50/50 on here.

I don't believe this but it's come to my attention that some title winning ex pro's swear by this. I think at the start of the season teams are a lot more optimistic and stubborn as it's all to play for.
Sure, and Ødegaard wasn't injured at all, it was a master plan engineered to rest him. After New year's eve he will become a mix between Messi and Özil. Havertz is holding his game but he will outscore Haaland at the rn of the season and Rice is hiding his new Pirlo role. Arteta is on another level of tactics.
 

Macho

Elitist

Country: England
Sure, and Ødegaard wasn't injured at all, it was a master plan engineered to rest him. After New year's eve he will become a mix between Messi and Özil. Havertz is holding his game but he will outscore Haaland at the rn of the season and Rice is hiding his new Pirlo role. Arteta is on another level of tactics.

You couldn't plan those red cards that's for sure. I think people tell themselves whatever to get through the ups and downs through the season.
 

El Realista

Well-Known Member

Country: Mexico

Player:Zinchenko
Thing is xG is based on data on how professional footballers have performed taking shots from different positions, at different game states, with different body parts and with potential bodies between the ball and goal.

So the probability is literally how professional footballers have performed taking shots from the same position and circumstances.
So that's Raya's fault, basically it's 0.95 chance of stopping that shot and yet he failed. I don't know but that stat is pure BS. Those xG is the new %posession all Barcelona fanboys used to feel better when they lost to Mourinho, Simeone or Real Madrid. I wouldn't surprise if Pep Cryola invented that stat.
 

El Realista

Well-Known Member

Country: Mexico

Player:Zinchenko
You couldn't plan those red cards that's for sure. I think people tell themselves whatever to get through the ups and downs through the season.
You are wrong, it was staged by Arteta to teach the team how to overcome hard situations and play with 10 men. Arteta is beyond our imagination.
 

Batman

Hard on crime, soft on Stan

Country: USA

Player:Nwaneri
So that's Raya's fault, basically it's 0.95 chance of stopping that shot and yet he failed. I don't know but that stat is pure BS. Those xG is the new %posession all Barcelona fanboys used to feel better when they lost to Mourinho, Simeone or Real Madrid. I wouldn't surprise if Pep Cryola invented that stat.
This is the best post you've ever made.
 

Sebastes

Statbomb Merchant

Country: Sweden
So that's Raya's fault, basically it's 0.95 chance of stopping that shot and yet he failed. I don't know but that stat is pure BS. Those xG is the new %posession all Barcelona fanboys used to feel better when they lost to Mourinho, Simeone or Real Madrid. I wouldn't surprise if Pep Cryola invented that stat.
Or you’d say that once in 20 the striker hits the ball with perfect power and accuracy so that the keeper can’t reach it. Which ofc is easier if you’re up against Raya compared to most keepers because of his relative shortness.

It’s not BS, it’s actually the best predictor for performance there is, at least if we don’t make it super complex.

What is bullshit though, is that similarly to other sports, it’s affected the game in that academy kids are from a relatively low age taught to only take certain shots in order to maximize output. So it has impacted the game’s spirit and beauty in the same way all data eventually do.
 

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