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Mikel Starteta Wars - Phase IV: A Newaneri Hope

Should Arteta’s position as manager be under threat if we don’t win the PL or CL?


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jaystewart

Active Member

Country: England

Player:Saka
The odds of buying three "misses" at £60m are extremely low. Once you go above £50m you generally tend to have some semblance of guaranteed quality.

It's not sustainable to always wait for a player to hit it big in the Prem.
Name your players then. I would go as far as saying that in the last 5 years, looking at attackers, only Haaland, Isak, Luis Diaz and Diogo Jota have justified their fee in the prem. Solanke is pending. And thats 40m+, not 60. We need ceiling raisers, not bench warmers. The odds are terrible.
One transfer at that price simply doesn't raise the ceiling the same way 3-4 players around £35m being successes does.
I agree, who wouldn't? I'd love to pay £60 combined for Mane and Salah. But please tell me where you can find 4 premier league proven players at £35m each which raise our level. We are talking ceiling raisers, not squad building/squad depth.
 

db10_therza

Senior Spreadsheet Squad Secretary
Moderator

Country: Bangladesh

Player:White
I’m legit wondering if people will be calling him a chequebook manager once his legacy here is done.

The thing is he’s actually not very good at the chequebook part of the game :lol:

He’s an elite coach and below average at transfers. I think if you gave him an elite DoF with say 70% of the budget he’s had we’d have won the league already.

So yeah I’d say he’s not a chequebook manager.
 

Makingtrax

Worships in the house of Wenger 🙏

Country: England

Player:Saliba
Really the only issue is finishing, the rest of the team plays well enough to win.
The whole of the first half against 11 men we didn’t get a single shot on target. And our right wing attacker got injured with some last ditch defending on the left side of his own box. That’s where Lacazette used to hang out when he was our CF.
 

Sanchez11

Fs FC

Country: England
Man I don’t even hate him. I think he’s just nowhere near as good as he’s been made out to be.

His cup record is completely indefensible, transfer business questionable and eye for an attacker is crazy bad.

I’m legit wondering if people will be calling him a chequebook manager once his legacy here is done.
Poundland Pep or Jose even.
 

Dokaka

Gunner come out of the closet any day now…
Name your players then. I would go as far as saying that in the last 5 years, looking at attackers, only Haaland, Isak, Luis Diaz and Diogo Jota have justified their fee in the prem. Solanke is pending. And thats 40m+, not 60. We need ceiling raisers, not bench warmers. The odds are terrible.

Neves, Olise, Onana, Lavia, Mac Allister, Diaby, Van de Ven, Gravenberch, Timber, Torres, Barcola, Palmer, Kulusevski, Cunha, Bruno, Paqueta and Tonali (gambling aside :lol: ), Raphinha, Vitinha, Gordon, Romero, De Ketelaere, Diaz, White, Hakimi, Konate, Ødegaard, Bailey.. I mean the list goes on and on. Almost every single established good player you see now moved for a decent fee at some point, I really can't be arsed naming all of them.

It'd be easier to name the flops.

I agree, who wouldn't? I'd love to pay £60 combined for Mane and Salah. But please tell me where you can find 4 premier league proven players at £35m each which raise our level. We are talking ceiling raisers, not squad building/squad depth.

You can't find PL proven, that's the whole point; the gamble is worth it. Go through the squads of recent league champions and you'll notice how many of their core players were gambles from outside the league.

You can't build a squad of PL proven players, modern financial rules simply don't allow you to. It's too expensive, it's essentially impossible to do a Fergie in 2025.
 

jaystewart

Active Member

Country: England

Player:Saka
Neves, Olise, Onana, Lavia, Mac Allister, Diaby, Van de Ven, Gravenberch, Timber, Torres, Barcola, Palmer, Kulusevski, Cunha, Bruno, Paqueta and Tonali (gambling aside :lol: ), Raphinha, Vitinha, Gordon, Romero, De Ketelaere, Diaz, White, Hakimi, Konate, Ødegaard, Bailey.. I mean the list goes on and on. Almost every single established good player you see now moved for a decent fee at some point, I really can't be arsed naming all of them.

It'd be easier to name the flops.



You can't find PL proven, that's the whole point; the gamble is worth it. Go through the squads of recent league champions and you'll notice how many of their core players were gambles from outside the league.

You can't build a squad of PL proven players, modern financial rules simply don't allow you to. It's too expensive, it's essentially impossible to do a Fergie in 2025.
My whole point is that you're better off sinking £100-120m into Isak than gambling you're entire project and 3/4 years finances on bang average flops over and over. Our young squad is going to peak at the same time and we can't miss the boat because you want to be cheap/roll the dice.

We are talking ceiling raising attackers for Arsenal, nothing else. Is Olise gonna come in behind Saka? We tried to sign Raphinha. I like Gordon but for £60 odd million, is it justifiable uplift on Martinelli? Palmer signing looks great in hindsight. If the problem was easy to solve, we would of solved it.
 

db10_therza

Senior Spreadsheet Squad Secretary
Moderator

Country: Bangladesh

Player:White
My whole point is that you're better off sinking £100-120m into Isak than gambling you're entire project and 3/4 years finances on bang average flops over and over. Our young squad is going to peak at the same time and we can't miss the boat because you want to be cheap/roll the dice.

We are talking ceiling raising attackers for Arsenal, nothing else. Is Olise gonna come in behind Saka? We tried to sign Raphinha. I like Gordon but for £60 odd million, is it justifiable uplift on Martinelli? Palmer signing looks great in hindsight. If the problem was easy to solve, we would of solved it.

I think you and @Dokaka are both right but it depends on “the phase of the process”.

Generally you’re better off going for the lower cost gambles esp when building out a squad. But when you’re in a position where almost all the work is done but you’re just one rose short of a bouquet- just go and get the job done. Pay up, do whatever you need to, don’t jeapordise the years of work it took you to get where you are because of some sunken cost fallacy bullshit.

Edit: actually you’re not right about a bunch of stuff. It’s not “hard” to upgrade our LW and CF. I don’t know what you’re on about. Like yeah Gordon at £60m would absolutely make us a better team??
 

Trilly

All views posted are NOT my own

Country: England
The thing is he’s actually not very good at the chequebook part of the game :lol:

He’s an elite coach and below average at transfers. I think if you gave him an elite DoF with say 70% of the budget he’s had we’d have won the league already.

So yeah I’d say he’s not a chequebook manager.
I’m more talking about the constant requests for new players and how our success is linked to our spending. Can he win a title without outspending his rivals? Idk

I agree he’s a very good coach though but would we be saying this if he was a Brighton or Wolves manager?
 

MartinelliOUT

Member

Country: Belgium
As much as he has his share of responsibility, the people who call him a fraud are ridiculous. He literally took over a club that was the doormat of all the big European clubs and transformed it into a team that fights for the title every year. This has been a really tough season, especially because of the injuries we’ve been dealing with week after week. He’s at fault for some of his choices during the transfer window, but seriously, can we really blame him for making a few wrong decisions? Guardiola has made them, Klopp has made them, Ten Hag has made them, Ancelotti has made them, and I could say the same for all the other coaches.
 

db10_therza

Senior Spreadsheet Squad Secretary
Moderator

Country: Bangladesh

Player:White
I’m more talking about the constant requests for new players and how our success is linked to our spending. Can he win a title without outspending his rivals? Idk

I agree he’s a very good coach though but would we be saying this if he was a Brighton or Wolves manager?

Yeah but that’s why I’m saying the only reason he’s needing to do this begging is because his recruitment has been naff.

He generally outperforms his actual squad quality imo which isn’t what you’d usually associate with a chequebook manager but I get what you’re trying to say.
 

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