Mikel Starteta Wars - Phase V: The Empire's Firing Blanks

[Red London]

Apart from City in 2022, when has a side won the title without a lethal goalscorer? There's probably a couple of examples maybe. City have had Haaland and Aguero, Liverpool with Salah (Mane's numbers were also good), Chelsea had Costa, Leicester had Vardy, United had Van Persie, Rooney, etc.

You're seriously handicapping yourself without this. The two things you guys are talking about can be linked too. You need to build a habit of just going out and winning, beating all the sides you should be beating and this can be helped by having someone who doesn't need too many chances to score.

It's unbelievable that we've never signed a goalscorer under this current regime.

Yeah it just makes it soooo much more difficult to do it. You gotta be absolutely elite like what city was to do it without a striker.

Not enough is made out of how even when Liverpool win comfortably, that was made possible because Salah buries his chance when it does come. In another reality without Salah they miss a couple chances and the game doesn’t turn out the way they want it to.

 

[Makingtrax]

Apart from City in 2022, when has a side won the title without a lethal goalscorer? There's probably a couple of examples maybe. City have had Haaland and Aguero, Liverpool with Salah (Mane's numbers were also good), Chelsea had Costa, Leicester had Vardy, United had Van Persie, Rooney, etc.

You're seriously handicapping yourself without this. The two things you guys are talking about can be linked too. You need to build a habit of just going out and winning, beating all the sides you should be beating and this can be helped by having someone who doesn't need too many chances to score.

It's unbelievable that we've never signed a goalscorer under this current regime.

Part of the reason is that Arteta doesn't use an orthodox CF roll in his tactics. Lacazette and Jesus both lined up as a striker but could be found all over the pitch. Jesus got injured defending just outside his own box recently. And everybody was moaning about Laca being too deep and not having the legs to get back in the box. It's the way they're being asked to play.

Arteta likes to swamp the midfield with forwards and full backs. It's very effective at getting high possession stats and breaking down the opposition quickly. We always out number the opposition midfield and recover the ball quickly.

 

[Tir Na Nog]

Part of the reason is that Arteta doesn't use an orthodox CF roll in his tactics. Lacazette and Jesus both lined up as a striker but could be found all over the pitch. Jesus got injured defending just outside his own box recently. And everybody was moaning about Laca being too deep and not having the legs to get back in the box. It's the way they're being asked to play.

Arteta likes to swamp the midfield with forwards and full backs. It's very effective at getting high possession stats and breaking down the opposition quickly. We always out number the opposition midfield and recover the ball quickly.

Of course there's always the thing if we do bring in a primary goalscorer they wouldn't contribute in the way our current CF's do thus meaning we lose something but football is all about trade-offs. The system we have has taken us to 3 consecutive title challenges but we've missed something.

Tbf it doesn't necessarily need to be a CF, if you got someone who could score 20 from out wide either, those don't exactly grow on tree though. I do think we've reached a point though where it's very obvious that there's a ceiling for this side without a real lethal goalscorer, CL too I don't think we'll be doing much without one. It seems like we're look for a very specific profile who can do almost everything Arteta would want but also bang them in. Maybe Sesko or Isak (I really doubt we'll sign him) might be that player, maybe it'll be a Williams from out wide. I do think we'll have to just gamble and go for it though in that regard.

 

[db10_therza]

Of course there's always the thing if we do bring in a primary goalscorer they wouldn't contribute in the way our current CF's do thus meaning we lose something but football is all about trade-offs. The system we have has taken us to 3 consecutive title challenges but we've missed something.

Tbf it doesn't necessarily need to be a CF, if you got someone who could score 20 from out wide either, those don't exactly grow on tree though. I do think we've reached a point though where it's very obvious that there's a ceiling for this side without a real lethal goalscorer, CL too I don't think we'll be doing much without one. It seems like we're look for a very specific profile who can do almost everything Arteta would want but also bang them in. Maybe Sesko or Isak (I really doubt we'll sign him) might be that player, maybe it'll be a Williams from out wide. I do think we'll have to just gamble and go for it though in that regard.

Until we relax the defensive requirements on our wide players it doesn’t matter who’s playing there they won’t be banging in 20 goals anytime soon

 

[Martinvonkeown]

He’s right tbf. The club lacks ambition as do some of our fans in this social media era. The January window was the perfect example.

Small W’s are being blown out of proportion and we get too giddy very quickly - I get that’s the whole point of being a fan however I think Turkish on AFTV mentioned the same thing about our fans lapping everything up before we’ve done anything of note (that’s part of the reason, I was glad when Newcastle fans gave them the same energy on Twitter, so they can pipe down for a bit). There are some things I disagree with him on but generally he makes a lot of good points with regards to our fanbase.

You lost me at Turkish. Another guy looking to make a living on social media.

 

[2Smokeyy]

You lost me at Turkish. Another guy looking to make a living on social media.

Just because he’s making a living off it, that doesn’t mean the takes he makes aren’t valid. Like I said, there are things I agree and disagree with him on but he does speak facts a lot of the time.

Even someone who has been quite optimistic about the club for a while in @SA Gunner somewhat agrees on quite a few of the point he makes tbf so it’s not only the pessimistic fans that are drawn to him.

 

[GDeep™]

Guys like Turkish go to every game, including Europe. Getting home at 6AM after games. For years too.

It’s people like these I feel sorry for, on some level the club are short changing these lot.

 

[2Smokeyy]

Guys like Turkish go to every game, including Europe. Getting home at 6AM after games. For years too.

It’s people like these I feel sorry for, on some level the club are short changing these lot.

Facts then you the reddit “top gooners” who try and act like they’re better than some of these guys. Who even gave them a right to do so?

If a man or woman for that matter is making money about talking about football then why should others act salty let them get their bag.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

Problem is with any of these social media guys If they wants major views they need to go extreme with their opinions, in one direction or another. Everything has to be fantastic or a crisis. There's no in between.

Most of these guys don't really believe what they say, or they're at least strongly exaggerating. They know what they're doing.

Few social media guys talk sense about Arsenal ( or any other side) and the ones that do probably get very little engagement.

 

[Bloodbather]

Problem is with any of these social media guys If they wants major views they need to go extreme with their opinions, in one direction or another. Everything has to be fantastic or a crisis. There's no in between.

Most of these guys don't really believe what they say, or they're at least strongly exaggerating. They know what they're doing.

Few social media guys talk sense about Arsenal ( or any other side) and the ones that do probably get very little engagement.

Doesn’t help that the ones running these sites are incentivizing such behaviour.

I suggest people pay less attention to these platforms and the shenanigans going on there. You don't lose anything.

 

[A_G]

 

[Riou]

 

[Martinvonkeown]

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According to the Sp**s Villa feed I was watching Villa was on a ten year run of not making the fifth round.

 

[SA Gunner]

Interesting @Macho

 

[jones]

Part of the reason is that Arteta doesn't use an orthodox CF roll in his tactics. Lacazette and Jesus both lined up as a striker but could be found all over the pitch. Jesus got injured defending just outside his own box recently. And everybody was moaning about Laca being too deep and not having the legs to get back in the box. It's the way they're being asked to play.

Arteta likes to swamp the midfield with forwards and full backs. It's very effective at getting high possession stats and breaking down the opposition quickly. We always out number the opposition midfield and recover the ball quickly.

I agree this is what we do but I don't think Arteta swamps the midfield with forwards to get high possession and break opposition down, he does it first and foremost to make sure we don't get countered.

His entire tactical setup is geared towards not losing, always been like that. When he has the right players and they're in good form we win, when they aren't we draw at best because we can't score. If we had never got Jover in I'm positive we'd yet be to break Emery's goals scored record from 18/19.

 

[<<reed>>]

Our manager.

Another trophy for my manager

 

[Bloodbather]

I agree this is what we do but I don't think Arteta swamps the midfield with forwards to get high possession and break opposition down, he does it first and foremost to make sure we don't get countered.

His entire tactical setup is geared towards not losing, always been like that. When he has the right players and they're in good form we win, when they aren't we draw at best because we can't score. If we had never got Jover in I'm positive we'd yet be to break Emery's goals scored record from 18/19.

He's definitely more of a Mourinho than a Wenger or a Pep in terms of approach to the game.

 

[Macho]

He's definitely more of a Mourinho than a Wenger or a Pep in terms of approach to the game.

Which is not a bad thing at all.

 

[jones]

Which is not a bad thing at all.

Nah it most definitely is. Nobody ever got into football to watch defensive ****house performances.

 

[Makingtrax]

Which is not a bad thing at all.

It is if you enjoy attacking football. Never forget that game against United in 2017 when we pumped their goal with 33 shots and DeGea made a world class double save from Sanchez and Iwobi. A couple of howlers from Mustafi and we lost to their 3 shots. I was up and down off the sofa the whole match. We may have lost but that was ****ing entertainment of the highest order. Set piece football is not for me.