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Nicolas Pepe: 2019/20 Performances

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by aevi, Aug 1, 2019.

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  1. sammy89

    sammy89 Well-Known Member

    We've been had. 70m should get you a talisman, not glimpses of potential. That's the biggest consequence of missing Champions League football IMO: selling teams scam you cause they know you're desperate to get back in. All big teams that are suffering get scammed regularly, but stable teams like Bayern hardly ever get scammed cause they're in a power position when negotiating.
     
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  2. Idiotologue

    Idiotologue Well-Known Member

    This is the issue and has been for a long time. Plain to see that Pépé's effectiveness would get a boost by having an overlapping full-back, but Arteta's system doesn't feature an overlapping full-back.

    Something's gotta give. Either Arteta has to adapt and make a compromise, or we're going to have to settle for a lesser version of Pépé than he could be. Considering both the price and his potential to be a game changer, the latter, to me, is unacceptable.

    It pains me to see Pépé become much more effective when he cuts into central positions but not get the opportunity to do so except for a moment here and there. The guy's perpetually stuck on an island with two-three defenders to beat.
     
  3. say yes

    say yes Thread Title Abuser

    People get far too hung up on Pepe’s price. Leave that nonsense to opposition fans.

    He’s young, clearly talented, and tied down to a five year contract. Don’t care if it takes him another year or two of development: world class wingers are priceless, and if that’s what he turns out to eventually be then he’ll be worth it.

    Talk of our financial commitment is rarely balanced either. £70m in 5y instalments is actually far easier for our club to pay than £30m upfront - let alone something like a £50m lump sum - but that never gets mentioned, even though it is clearly material to the price. Nor does it ever get mentioned that Pepe is on comparatively low wages for a big-money signing, even though that makes a huge difference over a five-year contract.
     
  4. <<reed>>

    <<reed>> Meme Merchant

    @Trilly
     
  5. Macho

    Macho Established Member Trusted

    Out of interest, you or anyone else who cares enough - name some.

    I’d really like to see what Talisman people think we can get with 70m in 20m instalments.

    Talisman in Europe in their early/mid twenties who can play on the wing. We can rule out Zaha cause he was 80 mil upfront.

    I’m sure there is value to be had but I am curious to know what people think 70 mil paid over x amount of years can get in 2020. I only really watch the prem so I’m not much of a scout.
     
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  6. DUFFMAN

    DUFFMAN Active Member

    Very good point.
     
  7. RandomHero84

    RandomHero84 Well-Known Member

    These days I think you'd only get someone like a delofeu for 60 odd mil.
     
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  8. Fewtch

    Fewtch Ozil at 10 And Emery Out

    At Lille he was wide forward who thrived on playing quick counterattack football with a fullback holding the width so he can come inside. Now he’s being asked to hug the touchline in a team that is mostly playing against deep blocks where there’s less space.

    He’s simply bad fit for what Arteta is demanding from the right winger atm but it’s not his fault.
     
  9. Trilly

    Trilly The John Sauce Of Ilford Trusted

    He’s gonna be the African Salah.
     
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  10. Trilly

    Trilly The John Sauce Of Ilford Trusted

    Reminds me of myself at powerleague. You’ve just skinned a defender or three and you want to finish it with a meaningful pass or goal (preferably a goal)rather than playing the percentages and putting it in a dangerous area.

    :lol:
     
  11. Eaststander74

    Eaststander74 Jury Lite II

    Yeah I was going to say reminds me of me before I done my ACL four times in one week. You can only sit a Man United trialist down a certain amount of times before you have to just put the ball in. If you were on the books of a Premier League club, you were just going to ****ing get it, and that’s just the way it was.
     
  12. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    Haven’t Chelsea paid 33M for Ziyech? Timo Werner has a 50M release clause. Tielmans was 40M.
     
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  13. UpTheGunnerz

    UpTheGunnerz Attention Seeker

    Nico is worth Every penny, gargantuan talent. If anything, we underpaid.
     
  14. say yes

    say yes Thread Title Abuser

    Very easy to pick out the deals that look good in hindsight / the ones who haven’t performed yet.

    Chelsea also spent £60m on Pulisic, but you’re not going to mention that. Everton spent £50m and ended up with Iwobi and Walcott. Could go on and on.
     
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  15. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Dishonest To His Federation

    Pepe and Pulisics are equally bad imo. Money wasted for both teams.
     
  16. UpTheGunnerz

    UpTheGunnerz Attention Seeker

    You are impossible to please. Absolutely zero patience for players
     
  17. krackpot

    krackpot Established Member

    Ffs, people are already writing him off.
     
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  18. say yes

    say yes Thread Title Abuser

    Would be more worried about Pepe’s ability if hydro wasn’t writing him off.
     
  19. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    We’ll be here all day if I started reeling off signings within 60/70M that have worked, no point picking them. My post was more general rather than anything aimed at Pepe.
     
  20. Camus

    Camus Well-Known Member

    It's actually us Arsenal fans that should be most hung up with Pepe's price as we're not exactly Moneybags the club. We've entrusted a hefty outlay on him and could be better served strengthening us in other areas, and not only that we're not the type to just write-off a sum like that so it means will have to keep persisting with an under-performing player and prevent us from signing someone that could actually do a better job.

    Also, "another year or two"? Potentially three years in total? For what? Who pays 70million on a player to persist with below-bar performances for three? We're nowhere near the calibre of club that can afford to carry a player for three years.

    I'd understand you mindset if we we're a City or a Liverpool, but we are not.
     
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