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Olivier Giroud: Au Revoir Cher Ami
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skip spence
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Seems like it.It went pretty quiet in here after Skip's last post.
And his minutes per goal in the national team is even better (numbers a few pages back), in fact top of the lot among the top ten goalscorers for France in modern times, well ahead of the likes of Trezeguet, Henry and Benzema.
Gegen Pressing
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That's exactly why we are in a position to trade him + cash for Mbappe.
Giroud does give you that....These great stats.... pure gold.
He cost 10Mio and on transfermarkt he now is worth solid 25Mio!
I doubt we'll let him go unlike that bodybuilder Walcott.
Giroud does give you that....These great stats.... pure gold.
He cost 10Mio and on transfermarkt he now is worth solid 25Mio!
I doubt we'll let him go unlike that bodybuilder Walcott.
skip spence
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Those swap deals rarely work, they are too complicated, too many factors that can go wrong. Would I take Mbappe over Giroud? Of course, that's a no-brainer. Would Giroud go along with that? Highly doubt it!
Mark Tobias
Mr. Agreeable
Say what you like about Giroud but he has almost as many pages on this forum as the The bloody Walcott who has been here ten years.,
Country: USA
Player:Saliba
Back in the day when it was still in vogue to play with two strikers, a 4-4-2 with two wingers who could cross, Giroud would have flourished and been appreciated far more than he is in this current era. You wouldn't ever play someone like Teddy Sheringham as a lone striker, yet that is basically what Giroud has had to do most of his career.
Mark Tobias
Mr. Agreeable
I may not miss the incredible misses or the scorpion kick celebrations and definitely not the 19 game droughts. But this player is deserving of our respect IMHO and I will wish him luck no matter what the outcome this summer.
Wounded Healer
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i think giroud deserves more credit. he may not be the best around but he is tanking us through a lot of difficulties
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Got outscored by Theo Walcott last season.
not in the league tho...
Mark Tobias
Mr. Agreeable
Theo mins played = 2197
Olly mins played = 1966
Theo league goals = 10
Olly league goals = 12
You're blinded by your hate....
Kobi
I Know Who You Are
I genuinely believe if we played 3421 with Özil and Sanchez behind Giroud (centrally, not wide) , he could do as well as anyone we can realistically get.
Sanchez playing the Griezmann role, playing close/running beyond Giroud and Kolasinac and Ox/Bellerin running up the line and putting in crosses.
Similar to France, who to their credit, seem to have at least put some thought into getting the best out of him.
Of course the problem remains we won't do this this, if he does play he will be expected to retain balls/create something while the rest of the team wait around in another postcode.
Sanchez playing the Griezmann role, playing close/running beyond Giroud and Kolasinac and Ox/Bellerin running up the line and putting in crosses.
Similar to France, who to their credit, seem to have at least put some thought into getting the best out of him.
Of course the problem remains we won't do this this, if he does play he will be expected to retain balls/create something while the rest of the team wait around in another postcode.
Mark Tobias
Mr. Agreeable
freeglennhelder2
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Sorry. I totally, utterly, vehemently, emphatically and unequivocally disagree that Giroud can do as good as well as anyone we can realistically get.
Mark Tobias
Mr. Agreeable
You are utterly, vehemently, emphatically and unequivocally entitled to that opinion...
say yes
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Don't seem to get notifications from tags (am I the only one?) any more so bit late for this.
My take:
1. Happy to restrict stats to last 3 seasons. Only player I'd argue that is unfair on is Lukaku given his recent improvement.
Anyway here are your base numbers (Mins/league goals, last 3 seasons):
Aguero: 104.6
Kane: 113.2
Giroud: 130.6
Costa: 145.2
Lukaku: 175.8
Giroud has played significantly the least minutes, but more on that below.
2. Happy to exclude pens, particularly as Giroud is a very good penalty taker and thus you'd assume he'd get more for us if he were the taker. That being said - penalties which a player wins for themselves and then scores should be included as those are essentially solo goals.
Aguero: 13 pens (2 won himself) - 11 excluded
Giroud: 1 pen excluded
Kane: 12 pens (3 won himself) - 9 excluded
Costa: 1 pen excluded
Lukaku: 4 pens excluded
That gives you:
Aguero: 124.05
Kane: 128.61
Giroud: 133.76
Costa: 148.04
Lukaku: 190.12
Pretty much identical to the stats you posted.
However there's a slight problem with this perspective. How can someone with such a seemingly impressive mins/goal stat have never managed to hit more than 16 in the league? All the other strikers on that list regularly hit 20+, bar Lukaku who got 25 this season.
When the numbers are this out of sync with reality, there is usually a very obvious answer.
3. Giroud has played significantly less minutes than all the forwards on the above list, which belies his role as a super sub and is immensely flattering to his goals/min stat. Aguero, Kane, Costa and Lukaku all average that rate of goals starting games i.e. clocking close to 90 mins almost every week. You shouldn't be using mins/goal statistics to compare super-subs with bona fide starters.
This is how the stats look if we restrict the outlook to starts:
Aguero: 126.66
Kane: 128.51
Costa: 146.92
Giroud: 162.90
Lukaku: 186.20
As you can see, Giroud's mins/goal stat is much less impressive when he's starting games. He'd be dead bottom if not for Lukaku's awful 14/15 season (10 league goals).
And goalscoring (or lack particularly thereof) isn't even why most people don't rate him.
yybecause
Formerly known as ArsenaLover
Its quiet simple. Giroud is class and scores regulary. IF the team actually played to his strengths we would see one of the better strikers in Europe.
Fact we dont play to his strenghts but he still scores regulary shows you that.
I wonder how many Aguero would score if playing for a team that plays high balls and crosses, and what would people think of him
Fact we dont play to his strenghts but he still scores regulary shows you that.
I wonder how many Aguero would score if playing for a team that plays high balls and crosses, and what would people think of him
GDeep™
League is very weak
He isn't being sold until we sign someone anyway, and knowing us we might not sign a ****ing striker if Wenger doesn't get Mbappe.
Mark Tobias
Mr. Agreeable
No it doesn't really. Iwould agree he is a good striker but "one of the better strikers in Europe", come off it mate.
yybecause
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