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PL: Aston Villa vs Arsenal | Tuesday July 21 | KO: 20:15 BST | Sky Sports

Match prediction

  • Arsenal win

    Votes: 40 75.5%
  • Draw

    Votes: 5 9.4%
  • Aston Villa win

    Votes: 8 15.1%

  • Total voters
    53
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EmeryCouldnt

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I have a question.

Can anyone explain to me why we were playing 3 CBs against a team in danger of relegation?

Another one. Has anyone realized that playing so many defenders and defensive-minded players have absolutely killed our creativity and it hasn't consistently improved our defence?

Balance is the key.

because no two of our center backs can be trusted, so they need. 3rd for support
 

TriniGunner

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I have a question.

Can anyone explain to me why we were playing 3 CBs against a team in danger of relegation?

Another one. Has anyone realized that playing so many defenders and defensive-minded players have absolutely killed our creativity and it hasn't consistently improved our defence?

Balance is the key.

We suck defensively. Better to have 5 at the back when we don't have the ball.
 

TriniGunner

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For continuity. 3-4-3 has got us results. Used it against Norwich that got us a 4-0 win. We changed to 4-3-3 in the second half and it looked better attacking wise but we became likely to concede in open play as we went back to having gaps between defence and midfield like early in the season. Simple reason is, 3-4-3 is the only formation that suits our current players.

As a coach, this is absolutely correct. If I was Arteta, I would have done the same thing. You play the formation to suit the players you have, not the other way around.
 

Ash10

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Don’t get what the problem is tbh. Beat Watford, relegate them and secure EL football.

Sign Sarr, Brooks and Benrahma for cheap once they’re stuck in the Championship and sign Ceballos and Partey.

Sell Lacazette, Guendouzi and maybe Chambers, Holding and Leno. Go big for one more player, maybe a striker and we’re top four again.

Literally don’t get the moaning on here, it’s all good.
Spoken like good old Skip would about his cowboys
 

Big Poppa

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Once Özil went off the boil and Santi left we haven’t had a decent creator.

Ramsey, Mkhi and Özil did a passable impression at times last year but it was poor stuff.

Many elite teams like Bayern, Liverpool and Real don’t rely on a core creative force, but instead have attackers with excellent vision who can both score and create. Benzema, Firmino and Lewandowski flanked by pacey wingers with great passing is about as simple and devastating as you can get.

Our front 3 are quite poor passers of the ball and technically average outside the box. It makes it difficult for us to keep possession high up the pitch. What they (by they I mean Auba) excel at is putting the ball in the net when spoon fed, which I guess is why Özil’s back on everyone’s lips.

If Arteta played with two proper widemen though e.g Pepe right, Saka left and Ceballos was on it we’d create **** loads more chances. Really simple. It would also allow our fullbacks to make more underlapping runs inside and give us additional thrust in midfield.

For whatever reason though he only ever seems to start one of Pepe, Saka, Nelson on the wing at a given time. It’s needlessly conservative imo.
 

Chicago_Gunner

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Don’t get what the problem is tbh. Beat Watford, relegate them and secure EL football.

Sign Sarr, Brooks and Benrahma for cheap once they’re stuck in the Championship and sign Ceballos and Partey.

Sell Lacazette, Guendouzi and maybe Chambers, Holding and Leno. Go big for one more player, maybe a striker and we’re top four again.

Literally don’t get the moaning on here, it’s all good.

I don’t see us doing any of that tho.... :(
 

Kav

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For continuity. 3-4-3 has got us results. Used it against Norwich that got us a 4-0 win. We changed to 4-3-3 in the second half and it looked better attacking wise but we became likely to concede in open play as we went back to having gaps between defence and midfield like early in the season. Simple reason is, 3-4-3 is the only formation that suits our current players.
Technically you are correct but factually you are inconsistent as you failed to mention that the change to a back 4 included him taking off Luiz and Cedric and bringing on Tierney and Pepe. With Ceballos and later willock operating as makeshift defenders. He pushed Kolasinac into LCB in a back 2 at times with holding. Of course we were more open as we basically had only 3 defenders on the pitch one of which spent more time ahead of Aubameyang on the left wing.

we were more open defensively because we only had 1 decent defender on the pitch (holding).
Actually we have the players for a 4-3-3 he just is trying to be clever and follow what he learned at man city. Except we don’t have those possession and movement type of players. We are built for the counter attack with the pace up top.
Yet he insist on playing out from the back which slows the tempo and transition and allows the opposition to get back to defensive positions and maintain their shape.

it worked against man city and Liverpool because we had no intention to pass the ball around. Against villa we had possession and did **** all with it because we move the ball too slow and don’t have a good midfield. The only time we looked dangerous was when Tierney and Luiz sprayed long passes to auba or Cedric. However Arteta wants us to play out from the back and keeep the ball even when it works against us. He’s putting style above realism.

that’s why I blame him for today. Any other top half tram would have beaten villa today but we had to try and be city 2.0. **** plan and **** execution today.
 

Manberg

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Technically you are correct but factually you are inconsistent as you failed to mention that the change to a back 4 included him taking off Luiz and Cedric and bringing on Tierney and Pepe. With Ceballos and later willock operating as makeshift defenders. He pushed Kolasinac into LCB in a back 2 at times with holding. Of course we were more open as we basically had only 3 defenders on the pitch one of which spent more time ahead of Aubameyang on the left wing.

we were more open defensively because we only had 1 decent defender on the pitch (holding).
Actually we have the players for a 4-3-3 he just is trying to be clever and follow what he learned at man city. Except we don’t have those possession and movement type of players. We are built for the counter attack with the pace up top.
Yet he insist on playing out from the back which slows the tempo and transition and allows the opposition to get back to defensive positions and maintain their shape.

it worked against man city and Liverpool because we had no intention to pass the ball around. Against villa we had possession and did **** all with it because we move the ball too slow and don’t have a good midfield. The only time we looked dangerous was when Tierney and Luiz sprayed long passes to auba or Cedric. However Arteta wants us to play out from the back and keeep the ball even when it works against us. He’s putting style above realism.

that’s why I blame him for today. Any other top half tram would have beaten villa today but we had to try and be city 2.0. **** plan and **** execution today.

No matter who plays in defence, we look highly vulnerable in a back 4, often getting carved open on counterattacks against any opposition. Many Emery games, the Ljungberg games and some Arteta games before lockdown show that. Our defenders are simply not good enough, including Holding.

Passing the ball around without much penetration is not new or surprising to us. Happened plenty of times under Wenger. Today it felt more like we had a lot of the ball because Villa let us have it. Much like we let City have it on Saturday.
 
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Makingtrax

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There was a big change though, in the identity of the new owners. Opening up foreign ownership created a whole new pool of wealth which wasn't there before. The Halls at Newcastle and Walker at Blackburn put money into their clubs but Abramovich was the first of a new breed, totally different level of finance..

This was what disrupted Arsenal's masterplan to gain an advantage with the new stadium. And he board then failed to realise that the game was up and you needed to find shareholders who would invest money in the club. Instead they got Kronke, whose only interest was in the leverage the stadium would provide for his other "franchises".
Not understanding the role of money in football causes most fans to look at details, like team selections and substitutions, to look for who to shoot, for why we're not Barcelona. Then of course all their arrows are deflected at the manager.

The myth that a good manager can drill any squad to compete with best lives in the head of most fans and can't be dislodged by argument. The irony is, Wenger was almost good enough to do that, but they shot him anyway. :lol:
 

Makingtrax

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Wenger repeatedly said he had money to spend. The fact that he didn’t is down to his fear of failure.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: The forum turns into a comedy when we lose. You couldn't make this stuff up! Wait . . .
 

Big Poppa

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Technically you are correct but factually you are inconsistent as you failed to mention that the change to a back 4 included him taking off Luiz and Cedric and bringing on Tierney and Pepe. With Ceballos and later willock operating as makeshift defenders. He pushed Kolasinac into LCB in a back 2 at times with holding. Of course we were more open as we basically had only 3 defenders on the pitch one of which spent more time ahead of Aubameyang on the left wing.

we were more open defensively because we only had 1 decent defender on the pitch (holding).
Actually we have the players for a 4-3-3 he just is trying to be clever and follow what he learned at man city. Except we don’t have those possession and movement type of players. We are built for the counter attack with the pace up top.
Yet he insist on playing out from the back which slows the tempo and transition and allows the opposition to get back to defensive positions and maintain their shape.

it worked against man city and Liverpool because we had no intention to pass the ball around. Against villa we had possession and did **** all with it because we move the ball too slow and don’t have a good midfield. The only time we looked dangerous was when Tierney and Luiz sprayed long passes to auba or Cedric. However Arteta wants us to play out from the back and keeep the ball even when it works against us. He’s putting style above realism.

that’s why I blame him for today. Any other top half tram would have beaten villa today but we had to try and be city 2.0. **** plan and **** execution today.

Starting set up was bad but changes were even worse. We finished with 2 left backs, No right back, 1 cb, 3 centre forwards standing on each other. Should’ve put Xhaka on for Eddie at half time alongside Torreira, free Dani up a bit, move Saka to the wing and gone 433.
 
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