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Loss PL: Manchester United 3 - 1 Arsenal | Sunday, September 4 | KO: 16:30 BST | Sky Sports



Utd vs Arsenal pre-match thread

So the Gooners are firing on all cylinders, leading the table after 3 games and the atmosphere around their club is overwhelmingly positive. Whereas we had two dreadful matches followed by a much needed tonic against the scouse and trending in the right direction.



We've got to play Southampton and Leicester but the game I'm really looking forward to is Arsenal at Old Trafford. I really think that match will set the tone for our season and shape the top 4 fight - also the transfer market will be closed by then as well so no more distractions hopefully.



I think it'll be good to see if Arteta is hype or the real deal but I'm fully confident we can smash them. Plus it's always fun to beat the Gooners in a match that might mean something for a change after a decade.

Arsenal have beaten who they should beat while we lost against who we should beat and beat who we should have lost against.



I'm not convinced by Arteta at all, the hype is pretty hilarious for someone who has won diddly squat.

My brother unfortunately is an Arsenal fan and it’s always a fun fixture when we play them. I’m hoping after the Liverpool game we’ve found our feet and start getting points on the table and smash those Gooners. Hopefully they go back to being Arsenal and have dropped points by then…

Antony will destroy the ‘super-intelligent’ Zinchenko, who is terrible defensively.

What hype is there around Arteta? I think he's done a good job but never seen anybody over hype him. Just reference to it on RedCafe.



They've outplayed us a lot of times in recent years, so it'll be interesting to see if we can assert dominance this time.

Want to beat these ****'s more than any other team



The most arrogant delusional fanbase of all PL teams. By far. Also the most arrogant delusional Manager that Ole has finished above twice but Arteta is the Messiah.

Martinez will pocket Scabby Jesus.

Last year we were AWOL collectively, so I don't recall. We generally beat you when it counts though, so I expect an Arsenal capitulation on Sunday

After Liverpool there’s no one in the league I enjoy United beating more than these lot. Hope we can smash them

Let’s give them a cup final like they always seem to do with us

If Maguire will plsy, we are fecked with all their movement and speed.

If not; we will trash them.

I will not be able to take the media and fan hyperbole if Arsenal play well in this game.

Stop Ødegaard getting the ball and mark Jesus tightly, don't allow him to drop into the hole uncontested.



Apart from that it'll be 1v1 battles with Malacia v Saka and Dalot v Martinelli

The thought of Arsenal being good again really, really bothers me. I think it bothers me more than Liverpool being good again, which I’ll put down to my age and having grown up throughout the Wenger-Ferguson years.



Let’s bring them down to size.

Arsenal winning the league is slightly preferable to another City or Pool win.



My god their fans would be annoying though.

Why are we talking about the Arsenal game before the Leicester game?



We could be back to square one after the game tomorrow. We need to start taking it one game as it comes.

I hope Zinchenko plays. He and Arsenal will be in for a bit of an awakening at some point this season. To me, he lacks the athleticism to play full back for teams where they actually have to compete. I’d rather Antony make his debut against Zinchenko than James Justin, who I think he’s far more likely to struggle against.

Arse has a hell of a team and it is likely they win because they are playing great ball right now and we are still building our identity.



Also it's not Jesus who concerns me most. Martinez will handle him just fine and is actually one of the best CF matchups to take him on in the box. The problem will be Martinelli vs Dalot, that is the matchup that favors them most. When they have possession their left side and how well Dalot can handle it will be a big determiner of who wins this game. Ødegaard is a beast too but I think he will be largely slowed by Case, so this game hinges on that left side when Arse has the ball. Huge game for Dalot and Varane and for us to win that right side requires defensive wins like we had from Malacia vs Liverpool.



I actually expect us to keep it tight for much of the game but it's unlikely we pull it out they just have too much firepower and are playing so well. I just hope it is close and competitive.

Arsenal fans are only a tiny bit less annoying than Liverpool fans, but that’s outweighed by the fact that I know way more arsenal fans. Genuinely can’t stand the thought of them becoming good again.

Will be a tough one for sure, Arsenal have been irrelevant for a while but right now they're a towering behemoth of footballing brilliance.



I just hope we can match them for the first 30 minutes and our players don't become too disheartened when we're forced to give Lego Pep a standing ovation at half time.
 

albakos

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Player:Saka
This loss is solely on Arteta.

I cannot blame Lokonga like many of you because the kid had no business being on the pitch as our starting DM in the first place.

Ben White had played as a DM for Brighton many times before, why not play him there and put Tomiyasu at RB?

If our manager had done his homework, he’d have seen that Utd are one trick pony who live & die by the counter attack.

Stay compact, and dare McClanger to play like a peak Zizou.

Arteta bottled it.
Welcome back mate. Long time no see. :applause:

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Red London

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The people who are now moaning about Arteta going gung ho and wanting to dominate everyone were the same as the ones who used to complain about boring pragmatic 10 men behind the ball, cannot coach an attack, Artetaball.
Exactly, he could have managed the situation better but if he kept it the same at 2-1 and we still lost the exact same people would be crying, asking why he wasnt more attacking or decisive.

The point here is, its always a fine line in this sport, thats why these armchair experts complaining at every decision are sat at home playing Career mode instead of doing the real thing.

In hindsight he should have brought on 1 or 2 and felt it out before briniging on more (although Ødegaard and Zinchenko were clearly not fully fit), but at the same time if we kept the ball for some time after these subs maybe we start applying pressure. Conceded at the worst possible time there.

I think the fact Arteta went for it is a positive sign, its been a clear issue that we can sometimes be too conservative. If anything its a statement from him that we can use firepower to go for games.
 

SomGooner

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@Makingtrax Arteta luck getting the guy who gave this offside:
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I hear Hooper's pretty good at reading braille though.
 

Entropics

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Country: Colombia

Player:Saka
Find hard to blame Hooper and the linesman there, they acted on old instinct. Or maybe is because I felt everything else paled in comparison to that West Ham call.
 

Legend14

Established Member
Re-watched game.

We play beautiful football. Haven’t seen this type of movement and cohesiveness in ages. Pleasing on the eye, very difficult to defend against. We will enjoy this football all season.

ManU was reactive the entire match except for the first 10 minutes. The Bruno Fernandez pass on the second goal was high quality. Not sure we could have done to much with it 9 out of 10 times. I’ll give them that one.

Both other goals were because Gabriel stepped in and we didn’t react well afterwards. The second step in that led to final goal was worst than the first because it was lazy. Gabriel needs to reduce his mental mistakes. We can’t have two to three of these each match.

On the counters, we turn off. Need to turn on as soon as we lose the ball. Likely will be fixed by Arteta.

Sambi had a very solid game. Those throwing him under the bus just need to run it back. Passes, tackles, commitment. I’ll put him ahead of Elneny since he impacts the game more. Staying focused when we don’t have the ball will hopefully improve, but I can say that about a few other players as well.

Xhaka had an underwhelming game. Here is where being average hurts us. In these games we need quality and impact. He is not that type of player. He didn’t do anything to help us win the match. An 8 should influence the match. Not much we’ll do about this right now. Improvement here may be a bigger priority than 6 from what I saw.

Overall, still gutted by losing to United. They can celebrate the victory, but they have a ways to go to be at our current level. I see us finishing 2 or 3 based on the quality of this loss. Simple things to improve defensively.
 

DUFFMAN

Crybaby
This loss is solely on Arteta.

I cannot blame Lokonga like many of you because the kid had no business being on the pitch as our starting DM in the first place.

Ben White had played as a DM for Brighton many times before, why not play him there and put Tomiyasu at RB?

If our manager had done his homework, he’d have seen that Utd are one trick pony who live & die by the counter attack.

Stay compact, and dare McClanger to play like a peak Zizou.

Arteta bottled it.
It was actually Leeds he played DM.

Hard luck mate.
 

CaseUteinberger

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Country: Sweden
The people who are now moaning about Arteta going gung ho and wanting to dominate everyone were the same as the ones who used to complain about boring pragmatic 10 men behind the ball, cannot coach an attack, Artetaball.

Exactly, he could have managed the situation better but if he kept it the same at 2-1 and we still lost the exact same people would be crying, asking why he wasnt more attacking or decisive.

The point here is, its always a fine line in this sport, thats why these armchair experts complaining at every decision are sat at home playing Career mode instead of doing the real thing.

In hindsight he should have brought on 1 or 2 and felt it out before briniging on more (although Ødegaard and Zinchenko were clearly not fully fit), but at the same time if we kept the ball for some time after these subs maybe we start applying pressure. Conceded at the worst possible time there.

I think the fact Arteta went for it is a positive sign, its been a clear issue that we can sometimes be too conservative. If anything its a statement from him that we can use firepower to go for games.
Good posts! This forum can get almost unreadable at times like these. Thanks for posting something sensible to help clean out the air!

Well, it was an Arsenal loss and the match day thread has +100 pages... :facepalm:
 

Mohamed7

Well-Known Member
This loss has really affected me and will TAKE a lot to recover - Destroying them at OT by 5 goals and above.

It confirmed every stupid statement I heard and read from family, friends, and internet recently and over the years (remember SAF playing with FOUR fullbacks on RB, RM, LB, and LM while Fletcher and Park in midfield): Arsenal is Arsenal, no matter what we will beat you at OT, you have only played against weak teams, play well but still get destroyed by low-block sucker punchers who also kick us around, and even that stupid comment by Neville “forget title, you will get done on Sunday”.
 

Mohamed7

Well-Known Member
Re-watched game.

We play beautiful football. Haven’t seen this type of movement and cohesiveness in ages. Pleasing on the eye, very difficult to defend against. We will enjoy this football all season.

ManU was reactive the entire match except for the first 10 minutes. The Bruno Fernandez pass on the second goal was high quality. Not sure we could have done to much with it 9 out of 10 times. I’ll give them that one.

Both other goals were because Gabriel stepped in and we didn’t react well afterwards. The second step in that led to final goal was worst than the first because it was lazy. Gabriel needs to reduce his mental mistakes. We can’t have two to three of these each match.

On the counters, we turn off. Need to turn on as soon as we lose the ball. Likely will be fixed by Arteta.

Sambi had a very solid game. Those throwing him under the bus just need to run it back. Passes, tackles, commitment. I’ll put him ahead of Elneny since he impacts the game more. Staying focused when we don’t have the ball will hopefully improve, but I can say that about a few other players as well.

Xhaka had an underwhelming game. Here is where being average hurts us. In these games we need quality and impact. He is not that type of player. He didn’t do anything to help us win the match. An 8 should influence the match. Not much we’ll do about this right now. Improvement here may be a bigger priority than 6 from what I saw.

Overall, still gutted by losing to United. They can celebrate the victory, but they have a ways to go to be at our current level. I see us finishing 2 or 3 based on the quality of this loss. Simple things to improve defensively.
You are better man than I. I don’t have the stomach to watch it again, not even highlights. I really wanted to watch it though.

I was interested in observing a couple of key elements:

1. Our final third choices or the lack of it. This is where we really lost the match.
2. Our midfield positioning just prior to and during:

A. The first goal, specially Lokongo. I don’t understand how Fernandez got that much space before assisting Antony.
B. The second goal, Xhaka’s position. Where was he and why didn’t he provide passing option for Lokongo…

3. Our pressing at times was not in-sync specially between the forwards and the two MFs. This is where Eriksen made the difference, the gap between our midfield and forward.

I agree on Lokongo. I thought he played well except on the goals. Xhaka should have been sub-ed for Smith after their second goal. He was poor yesterday by his standard in this season. Furthermore, I would have sub-ed like for like Zini-> Tierney, Ode->Vieira and not change shape. Because, we were playing very well and it was early to be that offensive in numbers.

Yes, our current level is 2nd and 3rd but will most likely finish just about fourth because of our injuries and inexperience by both the coach and players in key runs/matches.
 

DJ_Markstar

Based and Artetapilled

Player:Martinelli
The people who are now moaning about Arteta going gung ho and wanting to dominate everyone were the same as the ones who used to complain about boring pragmatic 10 men behind the ball, cannot coach an attack, Artetaball.

This is a lesson for anyone on here who has ambitions to be a leader in any sense, but especially professionally - some people are thick ****s and you're better off ignoring them.
 

DJ_Markstar

Based and Artetapilled

Player:Martinelli
Re-watched game.

We play beautiful football. Haven’t seen this type of movement and cohesiveness in ages. Pleasing on the eye, very difficult to defend against. We will enjoy this football all season.

ManU was reactive the entire match except for the first 10 minutes. The Bruno Fernandez pass on the second goal was high quality. Not sure we could have done to much with it 9 out of 10 times. I’ll give them that one.

Both other goals were because Gabriel stepped in and we didn’t react well afterwards. The second step in that led to final goal was worst than the first because it was lazy. Gabriel needs to reduce his mental mistakes. We can’t have two to three of these each match.

On the counters, we turn off. Need to turn on as soon as we lose the ball. Likely will be fixed by Arteta.

Sambi had a very solid game. Those throwing him under the bus just need to run it back. Passes, tackles, commitment. I’ll put him ahead of Elneny since he impacts the game more. Staying focused when we don’t have the ball will hopefully improve, but I can say that about a few other players as well.

Xhaka had an underwhelming game. Here is where being average hurts us. In these games we need quality and impact. He is not that type of player. He didn’t do anything to help us win the match. An 8 should influence the match. Not much we’ll do about this right now. Improvement here may be a bigger priority than 6 from what I saw.

Overall, still gutted by losing to United. They can celebrate the victory, but they have a ways to go to be at our current level. I see us finishing 2 or 3 based on the quality of this loss. Simple things to improve defensively.

Good man, I love re-watching games because you can really zoom in on the mistakes made and clarify how you see the game without being emotional in the moment (or at least as close to this as possible).

I basically had the same conclusions as you on the rewatch.

Only difference is that I rate Xhaka's contribution a little higher than you, but for sure he didn't have the best game.

I'd add that Saliba's early miss, Martinelli's (wrongly, in my opinion) disallowed goal are massive moments in this game that if went our way would have lead to an easy win on most other days. The guys on Bluemoon mostly seemed to agree that we were much the better team, some of them saying we're very close to something special and not to get disheartened by this loss, and I agree.
 

Mohamed7

Well-Known Member
The people who are now moaning about Arteta going gung ho and wanting to dominate everyone were the same as the ones who used to complain about boring pragmatic 10 men behind the ball, cannot coach an attack, Artetaball.
The complaint was against weaker oppositions and also doing it as soon as we take the lead, regardless of the time.

Who is stupid enough to blame him for being pragmatic at 1-1 against United at OT, if he did?? It’s not one or the other. It is game and situation based.
 

Fabregasm

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Overall, still gutted by losing to United. They can celebrate the victory, but they have a ways to go to be at our current level. I see us finishing 2 or 3 based on the quality of this loss. Simple things to improve defensively.
While i'm satisfied with the performance despite the loss, I think you are overrating the team too much. Our squad depth is crap, just few injuries away from disaster and we know from history we will never keep the whole team fit for long.
 

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