Players who you rate, but most others (mainly on AM) don't

Discussion in 'Football Talk' started by Jury, Apr 8, 2017.

  1. Dokaka

    Dokaka AM's resident Hammer

    To your first question: That's not what I meant. There's a difference between not rating someone highly and not acknowledging them being an upgrade. I think Vardy is kinda **** but he's still better than our options. It's fair to think Lukaku is not "£60m" good, that's obviously completely subjective, but at the same time it rings a bit hollow when no-one can name a realistic alternative. Hope that makes sense.

    Only 5 of Lukaku's goals this season have been headers. Giroud has ironically scored 6 headed goals.

    Lukaku isn't just another target man in the style of Giroud, which I feel like many people write him off. Lukaku has started games out wide before, he's quick, mobile, can get it behind a defense, his link-up has improved immensely and he's an absolute bully in the box.

    What is exactly is "Giroud like" about this?


    I think it's unfair to put the downsides Giroud brings to the table on Lukaku just because they're both above 6"3. Lukaku's dribbling ability, acceleration and pace is miles ahead of Giroud.

    I only have to pop in to the Welbeck thread to see several people argue that Welbeck's pace and movement make your attack look better. Lukaku is like 3x the player Welbeck is, but brings a lot of the same qualities along with the ability to score goals.
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  2. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Prefers To Be Called Dennis

    Giroud is a lot more capable playing for us than Lukaku ever will be and Giroud struggle most of the time.

    Anyway its clearly a player you rate but other don't. So I'm not gonna go into some debate about overrated Everton striker! Lets agree to disagree!
  3. fabo

    fabo 6.51 / 10

    How is giroud more capable? He can't run ffs.
  4. RoadrunnerReloaded

    RoadrunnerReloaded Well-Known Member

    Lacazette - been saying we should buy this guy for years but I constantly see some Arsenal fans slag him off even though his style fits much better with the rest of our players than Giroud and his numbers continue to impress.

    Higuain - underrated as a signing for us mostly due to his failures at the Argentina national set-up. Reality is Higuain is a beast for league matches. This is the signing that we should have made not Suarez! Cheaper,less drama and we could have afforded both him and Özil that summer if we worked it right. That would have won us the league not the vampire Luis.

    Kante - missing out on this one while he went to Leicester was a disgrace
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  5. Furious

    Furious Xhaka Propagandist

    That doesn't make any sense ffs. You can bet that 99% of this forum rate Lukaku higher than Ox as a player and overall impact. However it depends in terms of what you rate them - if Lukaku was here already, the majority would love him.

    But he comes with a price tag playing for another team, and he clearly lacks in many aspects of the game to certainly make it at a big club. That's why he's called a "fraud" at times - in fact that's compliment for him because he's achieving something. You don't see anyone here call Ox a fraud, because quite frankly he hasn't done much.
  6. SuperGoon

    SuperGoon Debbie Downer

    Couldn't have said it better myself.
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  7. Kobi

    Kobi I Know Who You Are

    There's this short bloke at Barcelona, Lionel something, looks useful.
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  8. Kroket

    Kroket Trusty and Sensible Trusted

    Always been surprised at the amount of criticism Lukaku gets on here, especially considering the donkeys we've had up front after Van Persie left.

    His first touch is inconsistent (at worst) and he has absolutely been too selfish recently but as far as downsides go that's about it for me. Strong, quick, good dribbler, big game player, incredible goalscoring record considering the teams he has played for.

    He's probably not worth £70 million to us but I'm going to hate watching him destroy us over and over again when he's back at Chelsea.
  9. amirkat

    amirkat Well-Known Member

    People who don't see the talent in Sterling are crazy to me. I didn't even think £50 million for him was too crazy at that point - he was the most exciting teenager in Europe.

    Dunno how people feel about Lallana, but I rate him. I've always liked those players who do everything before someone else places the assist. Nasri, Hleb etc back in the day for us.

    I definitely wanted Lukaku last season. Yeah, his first touch is **** sometimes and his lack of vision is shocking, but think of the goals he'd put away with Özil, Alexis etc feeding him. Double figures since he arrived in England.
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  10. BobP

    BobP Memri Fan

    Probably Abou Diaby.

    Plenty on here who don't/didn't rate him, couldn't tell you why...
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  11. Notorious Big

    Notorious Big Drunka In Friend Zone

    He's very good.I don't think he was that good when he came to Liverpool and when Rodgers was manager but under Klopp he improved a lot his game.Also in Southampton,he was key player for them when they came back to EPL.Like you said something like Hleb.I don't rate Nasri that much tbh.He's kinda slow and miss something to be complete player.
  12. amirkat

    amirkat Well-Known Member

    Yup, don't remember him being great under Rodgers.

    Under Klopp > Southampton >>>>>> Under Rodgers

    But he also suits the players he plays with right now - Mane, Firminho etc. As much as I like Lallana, don't think he would look as great at Arsenal.
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  13. bojed

    bojed AM Resident Joker #1 Trusted

    JT and Defoe.
  14. bingobob

    bingobob Fan of Technicians Who Show Great Character

    Van Dijk, Wanyama, Fellaini, Lallana, Pogba, Shane Long, Gary Cahill, Sterling. I'd have all those guys in our team/squad

    Bellerin Van Dijk Koscielny Monreal
    Wanyama Pogba
    Sterling Long Alexis
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  15. Wilshere10

    Wilshere10 Well-Known Member

    Dele Alli and Coutinho. Really badly underrated by some.
  16. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter Knows a guy who knows an ITK at Bristol Trusted

    Anyone who rags on JT is a f*cking moron through and through. I'd seriously argue the guy is the perfect defender, he defends.

    Can't stand all this hipster, wanky bollocks of people who hype up the likes of Pique and Hummels because they're great passers. If they can't defend what's the point?
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  17. bojed

    bojed AM Resident Joker #1 Trusted

    You understand well my friend.

    Many even tried to discredit JT's performance by highlighting he was solid due to Carvalho, Gallas, Cahill and Alex were all willing to do the dirty work for him. While it does hold some legitimate weight, but JT in his prime was literally Chelsea's gatekeeper. People raved about Mert's ability to read the game but honestly, JT used to be on a whole other level for quite some time.
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  18. Rex Banter

    Rex Banter Knows a guy who knows an ITK at Bristol Trusted

    Possibly the best defender of my lifetime, I know that's possibly blasphemy with Sol. Also the likes of Cannavaro and Nesta run him close but he was so good.

    Have him above Rio as well, the fact JT is still playing while Ferdinand went off a cliff performance wise once his pace went speaks to his longevity.
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  19. say yes

    say yes To Sweet Soulful House Music

    Irony is that Terry is probably a better passer than all of them. Glad he's pretty much done now - absolutely ridiculous defender.
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  20. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    Gareth Barry, James Milner, David Luiz, Fellaini, John Stones, Moussa Dembele (Sp**s), Sterling, Willian, Marc Albrighton, Pepe (amazingly some don't rate him).

    There's probably loads more but I just can't think of them.

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