Premier League 2018/19: The Fight for a CL Spot

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Aevius, Aug 9, 2018.

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Where do you foresee us finishing this season?

  1. 1st

    4.3%
  2. 2nd

    4.9%
  3. 3rd

    22.0%
  4. 4th

    37.8%
  5. 5th/6th

    31.1%
  6. 7th or lower

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Mrs Bergkamp

    Mrs Bergkamp Well-Known Member

    We're still in the hunt but we have to take care of our own business. Spurs haven't had a slump despite injuries. Chelsea are going through one atm and Utd still have the new manager bounce. I just can't call it but we shouldn't write ourselves off.
     
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  2. Nyctophobia

    Nyctophobia Well-Known Member

    If we had won all the matches we should not have dropped points in, we would be tied for 1st place right now.

    CRY 2-2 ARS
    ARS 1-1 WOL
    SOU 3-2 ARS
    BHA 1-1 ARS
    WHU 1-0 ARS

    Despite losing to Man City twice, losing and drawing against Liverpool, losing to Chelsea once, and drawing against Man U.

    I would say that considering (in my opinion) that our squad is significantly weaker than the other top five clubs this isn't too bad and if we can improve the coming season we won't be that far off from at least challenging for the title.

    When you look at it like this you see that there isn't that much that separates us from the best and although it's the same story under Wenger, let's hope Emery can do what Wenger couldn't and push us up that last part of the hill.
     
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  3. TromsoGooner

    TromsoGooner Well-Known Member

    There are also quite few games we won that could easily have resulted in dropped points. Home games against Everton and Watford could have gone either way, we were lucky to get a point at home to Wolves and a draw would have been fair away to Bournemouth.
     
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  4. Manberg

    Manberg Well-Known Member

    How do you tell what matches we should not have dropped points in? The ones you pointed out, we didn't deserve to win. We were outplayed. The Wolves game for example, we stole a point. Theoretically we should have got 0 points.
     
  5. JW10

    JW10 Member

    You could equally go through other clubs results and say the same for them. It's a pointless view imo 'if we'd won this, if we'd won that'...we didn't.

    Reality is we probably have more points than our performances deserve, let's just hope we can improve for the rest of the season.
     
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  6. Nyctophobia

    Nyctophobia Well-Known Member

    Those teams listed are teams that we could and should be beating if we want to challenge for the title, we can't get around that.
    Sure, but I can't really make any point if I went with that approach since in that case every point we have we might not have had in theory, but I singled out those matches because those are teams we are capable of beating, that's also why I didn't include the lost points from the matches against tougher competition as potential points won since that's more unlikely.

    However I made a little mistake, we wouldn't be tied for 1st but a few points behind, still we'd be in the race.
     
  7. albakos

    albakos Arséne Wenger: "I will miss you" Administrator

    In reality we deseverd nothing from Wolves, Soton and West Ham.

    You can only say we dropped points at Palace and Brighton, because of some strange substitutions which handed the opposition an initiative and stalled our attacking play.

    As others said, we could have dropped points at home to Everton and Watford, while even Huddersfield with a better finishing could have made us drop points.

    We have problems which seem to be dragging during the whole season and the uninspiring performances we've seen as of late, will probably mean that we will drop more points than necessary, thus missing on Top 4.
     
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  8. freeglennhelder2

    freeglennhelder2 Well-Known Member

    Managers 1st season. Ramsey fiasco. The Özil circus. Let’s not even begin to talk about the injuries.

    I think we’re doing well still be in the mix TBH.
     
  9. TornadoTed

    TornadoTed Well-Known Member

    That's pretty much how I see it, we are making a decent effort at it considering we probably have the 6th best squad also.
     
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  10. Red London

    Red London Well-Known Member

    Chelsea have head and shoulders the best attacker, midfielder and defender (Azpi) out of us two and they are struggling just as much and probably more
     
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  11. Furious

    Furious Emery Hired, Telly Off

    Azpi is a nothing player, why do people keep mentioning him as some world class leader of defences? :lol:

    Just a solid Monreal level player.
     
  12. ptrcopp

    ptrcopp Well-Known Member

    Who just like Monreal looks brilliant when he is supported in defence.

    Who just like Monreal looks dogshit when playing 1 on 1 against pacier players
     
  13. Tourbillion

    Tourbillion Well-Known Member

    Azpilicueta is so non-descript I still don't know what nationality he is.
     
  14. Nyctophobia

    Nyctophobia Well-Known Member

    I don't really disagree with this, I'm not trying to argue that the matches that were played we should have won or lost, it's more thinking about it "on paper" and the point I was trying to make is that if we presume that what we want to achieve ultimately is to win the league, then the distance we are from achieving that isn't really as big as it might feel and that it's something that's been relatively constant for many years.

    If we look at our previous seasons which we consider to be poor; in the big picture (as in the season as a whole), you see that there isn't really that much that needs to go wrong for things to be considered bad, but also that there's isn't that much that needs to go right before they're good, from an Arsenal-centric point of view.

    If we make it percentage based we could say for example that we're at 80%, the distance from 0 to 80 is much larger than from 80 to 100, the last 20% are very difficult to achieve, but it's only 20%.
     
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