Premier League 2019/20 Gameweek 7

Discussion in 'Football Talk' started by rich 1990, Sep 28, 2019.

  1. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    He had one good season at Liverpool with the aid of demon Suarez. Did nothing in 12/13, 14/15 he underachieved despite a lot of money spent and was sacked early in the next season. He didn't even so much as win a cup at Liverpool they lost to Sherwood's Villa in the FA Cup, got knocked out of Europe by Basel and Besiktas. At Swansea he got them promoted. At Leicester he's doing alright at the moment but it's still early days.

    I do not know how we can say he'd do a great job here. To me he seems like a fairly decent coach but I think there's a ceiling with him. He just doesn't seem like he's a big club manager.
     
  2. Iceman10

    Iceman10 Well-Known Member

    Leicester putting Newcastle away easily. Good technical side at their best.
     
  3. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    Also why would Arteta leave City where he's Pep's assistant to be Rodgers assistant?
     
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  4. bingobob

    bingobob Fan of Technicians Who Show Great Character

    As below Swansea. Played some fantastic stuff which got Rodgers his move to Liverpool.
     
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  5. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    Rodgers’ biggest regret about Liverpool was probably that DVD :lol:

    Is there a gif of him yelling in Sterling’s face?
     
  6. bingobob

    bingobob Fan of Technicians Who Show Great Character

    Celtic and Liverpool are very big clubs. Think people forget just how much he got from that Liverpool team. To pin it all on Suarez is really unfair, look how far we finished away from the top with RVP in beast mode. Rodgers got the collective working with a couple of magic players thrown in.

    He lost two of his best players in one window and Super Mario was brought in who he didn't want. He made mistakes no doubt but his overall career is more success than failure.
     
  7. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    Newcastle came into this trying their best but ending up getting demolished. That club has got problems.
     
  8. bingobob

    bingobob Fan of Technicians Who Show Great Character

    Silly to get rid of Benitez.
     
  9. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    None of this means he has what it takes to help us make the step up. Things had gotten so stale under him at Liverpool, also he had falling outs with star players like Suarez and Sterling, there's serious question marks about his man management. Like I said knocked out to Basel and Besiktas, Sherwood's Villa in the cup, end the season losing 6-1 to Stoke. Barely lasts a few weeks the next season. Klopp comes in and he beats Chelsea and City and the overall morale of the team is light-years from what it was under Rodgers. I'm not overly interested about what happened at Celtic, but even then things got stale there too.

    With Swansea he got them promoted and then finished 11th with them. Fair play. Again not enough to suggest he'll make a great manager at a club looking to compete for serious titles again. At Celtic the main expectations are winning the league with very little competition with CL being a bonus. He can get hit for 7 vs PSG and Barca and no one will care too much. Can lose 3-0 to Zenit again all they care about is domestic titles because of this obsession with winning 10 in a row to get one over Rangers. At Arsenal the pressure is so so so much more and it's different worlds. You could argue at Liverpool he just couldn't cope with the demands in the same way which Klopp ended up being able to.

    I think we should be looking at a lot better than Rodgers unless he achieves something truly remarkable with Leicester this season.
     
  10. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    Benitez would be a better shout than Rodgers, even then his record is fairly mixed. His tenures at Real and Inter don't make for great reading. Maybe he's another one better with the underdogs? Tho I suppose we'd count as that if we're hoping to compete with City and Liverpool (not that we're going to any time soon).
     
  11. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Wrong, But Rarely

    Few more bad results and Bruce will have to go. Useless appointment.

    His appointment told me the owners don’t care.
     
  12. Manberg

    Manberg Predator

    Give those Newcastle away fans some water. They’ve been singing non stop.


    5-0
     
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  13. Iceman10

    Iceman10 Well-Known Member

    As with Mourinho he is just someone who doesn't seen compatible with Raul/Edu/Vinai. Tensions are fine but the problem is when that all becomes a distraction from the role as first team coach. I'm warming to the idea of Arteta.
     
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  14. Tir Na Nog

    Tir Na Nog In Big Trouble If He Speaks

    If a manager is backed and given the players he wants there won't be tensions though. Look at Conte at Inter. Given Godin, Lukaku, Alexis among others in order to have the team he wants, they also got rid of Icardi despite being the talisman for Inter for so long simply because Conte didn't want him there.

    Similar at Chelsea in the first season they backed him by giving him Kante, Alonso and Luiz. Some would have questioned the latter two signings but in the end it worked for Chelsea.

    I think it was different for Benitez though as it was more with the players there was tensions. At Inter the players didn't respect him because of his attitude toward Mourinho and the fact he was such a downgrade on Mourinho. It was also difficult because he was never gonna replicate Mourinho's success. At Real the players and the job were just too big for him. Straight away he rubbed Ronaldo the wrong way, the writing's pretty much on the wall.
     
  15. SA Gunner

    SA Gunner Prediction Pool King Trusted

    Not an ideal scenario but it’s worth a shot.

    Brendan is starting to show credentials as a top four competitor this year. Let’s see where we are by match day 12. I have a feeling still in the hunt.
     
  16. tap-in

    tap-in Nothing Wrong With Me

    Leicester are looking good this season. I know they were playing 10 men and a poor team but they are 3rd for a reason. Liverpool away next weekend should tell us more.
     
  17. Iceman10

    Iceman10 Well-Known Member

    My impression with Benitez and Mourinho is no matter how much they are backed and how much transfer money has been spent they will always ask for lots more. This is fine to push the board but sometimes finances don't support what they want and still they will keep pressing and getting loud, either through minions to the media, or directly in press conferences. This is when things start to become unsustainable.
     
  18. Sapient Hawk

    Sapient Hawk The Reason We're Out of Europe

    Adams would have a heart attack trying to marshall this hapless defense, the less said about the supposed nightmare facing a 20something Turkish defender new to the league, the better :lol:
     
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  19. bingobob

    bingobob Fan of Technicians Who Show Great Character

    Your wide of the mark on Sterling and Suarez. Both players are pretty clear how much Rodgers helped develop them and if there was a falling out it didnt last very long.

    Your understanding or Scottish football is wide of the mark. Celtic dominated to an unprecedented level. Rangers when Celtic were finishing 4th never had that type of success. An unbeaten season and a treble treble. Arsenal fans should really not slate Celtic getting duffed by Barcelona or PSG given the beating weve taken off Bayern and the financial disparity between Celtic and PSG vs Arsenal and Bayern. Celtic still expect something from those games and fans were annoyed at the results. But there were still positives. Getting out of the group stages and having European football after Christmas in 2 of his 3 seasons. And qualifying for the CL in two of those three seasons. Throw most teams into a group with Barcelona and Man City or Bayern and PSG they will struggle.

    Rodgers was also a relatively young manager when he took over Liverpool. 42 years old. Klopp was 48, which is 2 years older than Rodgers currently is. He has matured as a manager as we are seeing at present. I wonder how a 42 year old Klopp would have done at Liverpool, that would be just after his first season at Dortmund?
     
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  20. Mark Tobias

    Mark Tobias Mr. Agreeable

    I have to say BR has turned my head. What he is doing there at LCFC is exciting. He's learned and he's becoming a good manager. Would like to see what he does here.
     

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