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Premier League 2023/24: Our Race Is Run

Where do we finish in 23/24?


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Yousif Arsenal

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Absolutely nothing to say he would do better than Arteta. PL with Klopp and Guardiola much harder to win. Inter won it very recently under Conte anyway. Arsenal's last win in 2004. Getting Arsenal to win a PL is a much tougher ask than winning Serie A with Inter.

Serie A post-Juventus monopoly is a yo-yo league. Napoli won it last season and are back to midtable this season.
Inzaghi is good coach very demanding but he also lost 12 league games last season this season he taking advantage of everyone in Serie A is average in PL he'll also fall short against Pep like everyone else.
 

BaZZe

Always Blaming Refs

Country: Sweden
In 1998 we won 10 games in a row at the end of the season to win the league, 2002 we won our last 13...2004 was a little different as it wasn't really a race as we were so dominant, but we still won 12 amd drew 3 in a run that gave United and Chelsea no chance in catching us.

It wouldn't be as bad if we picked up a few cups to numb the league pain, but we lose to an own goal against a Liverpool B team.

The word hurts, but it's a little true.
In those days you could afford slip ups unlike nowadays.

In 1998 we picked up 45/57 points in the 2nd half of the season. In 2002 it was 51/57. If we had won our final 7 games it would've been 52/57 this 2nd half of the season, so basically we would have bested both those seasons run ins. In 1998 the team that came 2nd picked up 77 points, in 2002 it was 80 points. If City win their remaining games they end up on 91 points. It's not a fair comparison to compare that era with this era of clubs backed by nation states. The only time Klopp won a title was in a 1 horse race during covid.

If we win 16/19 games in the 2nd half of the season but don't win the league would that be bottling it? No, that's ludicrous.
 

Paperino

It’s Timo Time

Country: Sweden
Absolutely nothing to say he would do better than Arteta. PL with Klopp and Guardiola much harder to win. Inter won it very recently under Conte anyway. Arsenal's last win in 2004. Getting Arsenal to win a PL is a much tougher ask than winning Serie A with Inter.

Serie A post-Juventus monopoly is a yo-yo league. Napoli won it last season and are back to midtable this season.

You can find objections against all of the managers on the planet so i guess your stance is that Teta should stay forever. My stance is that he should go if we fail to win anything this season. That was my stance even before the season started.
 

goonerfamily

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You can find objections against all of the managers on the planet so i guess your stance is that Teta should stay forever. My stance is that he should go if we fail to win anything this season. That was my stance even before the season started.
lol my stance is that he should have another season - see the first message you replied to 🤣
 

Paperino

It’s Timo Time

Country: Sweden
project cone fraud or whatever you call it has us competing with Man City . maybe you confused with Chelsea project? ;) anyway have some patience bro this is our first L in league since December you won't win all your games.

Are you trying to say that people havent shown a lot of patience with Arteta? Come on.

Inzaghi is good coach very demanding but he also lost 12 league games last season this season he taking advantage of everyone in Serie A is average in PL he'll also fall short against Pep like everyone else.

If we fail to win its not because another manager is great or unbeatable but rather because of our own shortcomings. That was the case last season aswell. It is possible to finish higher than City but we have bottled that possibility.
 

Riou

In The Winchester, Waiting For This To Blow Over

Country: Northern Ireland
In those days you could afford slip ups unlike nowadays.

In 1998 we picked up 45/57 points in the 2nd half of the season. In 2002 it was 51/57. If we had won our final 7 games it would've been 52/57 this 2nd half of the season, so basically we would have bested both those seasons run ins. In 1998 the team that came 2nd picked up 77 points, in 2002 it was 80 points. If City win their remaining games they end up on 91 points. It's not a fair comparison to compare that era with this era of clubs backed by nation states. The only time Klopp won a title was in a 1 horse race during covid.

If we win 16/19 games in the 2nd half of the season but don't win the league would that be bottling it? No, that's ludicrous.

The bar is the bar, tbh...I don't care about points, point totals can as easily say the rest of the league is weak (so you should be winning more games) as it can that the top teams are just so good.

What makes us bottlers is we haven't won anything for probably 4 years now, that's not good enough with the money spent.

Improving in the league isn't enough, you need some silverware with it...we are Arsenal and not Sp**s, minimum should be title challenge and some cups win here and there.
 

LookingForEric

Patronize me again and I'll destroy you 😖

Country: Northern Ireland
From the 27th of December City have won 12 and drawn 3.

If they go and win the final 6 that’s 18 wins and 3 draws from 27th of December to May. Do you know how unbelievably difficult that is to better?

If we win 5 of the remaining 6 games and end up on 86 points I’m not mad. We go again next season with the league.

Must do well against Bayern!
 

LookingForEric

Patronize me again and I'll destroy you 😖

Country: Northern Ireland
To anyone saying get rid of the manager, no manager in world football would be able to come here and keep pace with City like Arteta has.

Only manager I’d take is Klopp, there’s no need to change now, Arteta has passed the criteria I set and that’s it.
 

goonerfamily

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Your stance is that he should stay for ever since no manager on the planet can do a better job.
My stance is that he should get one more season regardless. There is no manager realistically available this season who would do better. Largely, Arteta has done a fantastic job. If he fails to win the PL/CL next season then we need to consider a replacement. For example, Xabi Alonso (who is not available this summer but likely the next).
 

fute

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Country: USA
Mental toughness.

Easily deflated?

Heads down?

Exasperation after each missed shot?

Pressure affects people,teams, managers,etc. in different ways.
 

LookingForEric

Patronize me again and I'll destroy you 😖

Country: Northern Ireland
City can quite easily draw one of the four away games they have.

Brighton
Forest
Fulham
Sp**s

I still think they’ll drop points twice and we’ll drop points one more time. I wasn’t expecting it today but it’s better that we get it out the way now.
 

Badger_Revenge

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Yeah, I'm having a hard time understanding how one could fault Arteta here. City took a while to build up after they were taken over. It was not an overnight success. Same for Abramovich and Chelsea. Arteta and Arsenal don't have nearly the resources those clubs had in doing so. Hell, we don't even have the resources of Liverpool!

But he has made us serious competitors in a relatively short time frame, and that hasn't happened in a long time. Most clubs are deeply envious of us right now. The thing I question is whether some Arsenal fans deserve a title, or if they would prefer wandering pointlessly around staring at greener pastures for an answer to their impossible expectations, murdering any hope in the process. We can't be such a fragile club.
 

LookingForEric

Patronize me again and I'll destroy you 😖

Country: Northern Ireland
Yeah, I'm having a hard time understanding how one could fault Arteta here. City took a while to build up after they were taken over. It was not an overnight success. Same for Abramovich and Chelsea. Arteta and Arsenal don't have nearly the resources those clubs had in doing so. Hell, we don't even have the resources of Liverpool!

But he has made us serious competitors in a relatively short time frame, and that hasn't happened in a long time. Most clubs are deeply envious of us right now. The thing I question is whether some Arsenal fans deserve a title, or if they would prefer wandering pointlessly around looking staring at greener pastures for an answer to their impossible expectations, murdering any hope in the process. We can't be such a fragile club.

Don’t get me wrong if there’s ZERO trophies next year then he will have to go, time is no longer on his side. But he’s built an incredible football team, just needs a couple of sprinkles of pace and genius in attacking areas.
 

Iwobeast

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Country: Netherlands

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Yeah, I'm having a hard time understanding how one could fault Arteta here. City took a while to build up after they were taken over. It was not an overnight success. Same for Abramovich and Chelsea. Arteta and Arsenal don't have nearly the resources those clubs had in doing so. Hell, we don't even have the resources of Liverpool!

But he has made us serious competitors in a relatively short time frame, and that hasn't happened in a long time. Most clubs are deeply envious of us right now. The thing I question is whether some Arsenal fans deserve a title, or if they would prefer wandering pointlessly around staring at greener pastures for an answer to their impossible expectations, murdering any hope in the process. We can't be such a fragile club.

we’re competing with a financially doped super team who bought a left back for 100m last summer. Some guys acting like this is a fair game
 

Riou

In The Winchester, Waiting For This To Blow Over

Country: Northern Ireland
Liverpool only won 1 league title since 18/19, but in those 6 seasons they still won 5 total trophies.

City didn't win everything, you can still win against them as they aren't perfect.

That's what's annoys me most, has 8 good attempts to win things these past 2 seasons...and now are down to 1 attempt and 0 pieces of silverware.

We aren't taking advantage of being as good as we are, imo.
 

Badger_Revenge

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Don’t get me wrong if there’s ZERO trophies next year then he will have to go, time is no longer on his side. But he’s built an incredible football team, just needs a couple of sprinkles of pace and genius in attacking areas.
Would you include FA or League cups? I have a feeling we may be doing better on those fronts next year if the talent in the academy matures enough. There is a lot of potential there. We need to get past those early stages with that talent. We have not been doing that because our bench is not deep enough and we don't care enough about them to risk it.

IMO, the club's sights are set higher, but PL and Champion's league championships are just not as easy with Man City around. They are just a different beast from the older Man U and even Chelsea. I'm not sure there is any coach out there who can get around them, because the difference is institutional. That's what I like about Arteta - he's about building the capacity in the club to compete long term.
 

Synical

Miss Superstitious

Country: England
we’re competing with a financially doped super team who bought a left back for 100m last summer. Some guys acting like this is a fair game
Exactly the game is rigged. A bit like how the house always wins in the casino

But I was NOT expecting our game to be the biggest shock of the weekend after seeing the Liverpool result! 🤣
 

BaZZe

Always Blaming Refs

Country: Sweden
The bar is the bar, tbh...I don't care about points, point totals can as easily say the rest of the league is weak (so you should be winning more games) as it can that the top teams are just so good.

What makes us bottlers is we haven't won anything for probably 4 years now, that's not good enough with the money spent.

Improving in the league isn't enough, you need some silverware with it...we are Arsenal and not Sp**s, minimum should be title challenge and some cups win here and there.
Lol, be real. If we had ended this season with say an FA cup, it wouldn't have made any difference to you or anyone else. Liverpool won a League Cup and they still see their season as a failure if they don't win anything else. A season winning only an FA Cup or League Cup is only considered success if you are a team who haven't won anything at all in decades like Sp**s.

Setting impossible standards of perfection and then screaming bottlers when we inevitably don't live up to them is stupid.
 
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