Racism in Football

[Macho]

Are these for racism against players, or overall, players & fans?

Straight up, none of the data I found differentiated between this at all. I would be lying if I told you I could narrow down the info I found to that level. The news articles I provided was fan on fan stuff though.

What if some club has more black fans, wouldn't it make it more likely to have more racism problems between the fans?

Absolutely possible, hence, me arguing the bigger the fanbase the more opportunity there is for these incidents to occur.

Good questions though.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

Meh, a certain percentage of people are racist. I don't think supporting Arsenal would lessen that percentage.

I don't think you can say that Arsenal having had many great black players over the years is going to overly affect the amount of the fanbase that is racist.

It's probably attracted more black or minority fans though.

It's perfectly possible to love Henry, Vieira or Rocastle and still be highly racist. Racism isn't based in logic after all.

 

[lomekian]

Straight up, none of the data I found differentiated between this at all. I would be lying if I told you I could narrow down the info I found to that level. The news articles I provided was fan on fan stuff though.



Absolutely possible, hence, me arguing the bigger the fanbase the more opportunity there is for these incidents to occur.

Good questions though.

Also the statistics will be impacted by other factors. Bans and arrests are both based on both reporting and follow up. In my anecdotal experience, fans at Arsenal self police racism and report to stewards much more strongly that at most other 'big' grounds I've been to. Over the 30+ years I've been going (albeit rarely in recent years, so I may be missing the Brexit Britain effect), I very rarely heard any racist comment in or around Highbury / The Emirates and its normally been an isolated comment that or has been reacted to very strongly and quickly, both by other fans and stewards if it has been sustained. I do think the long established diversity of the fanbase is a factor in that, as has been the numbers of black players being major fixtures since the early/mid 80s.

The contrast to experiences I've had a handful of other grounds (in with the home fans - i've not done away fan travelling) is notable. That said, at most grounds, it is still usually a very small minority these days. The days of Chelsea being like an NF rally are largely gone (though still a lot of the old racists haven't died yet, and there are still frictions within that supporter base as the demographics change). What Chelsea have done well in recent years is start taking action against their fans in a way that never happened before.

Obviously there are still places like Milwall and Cardiff where racism and violence are still par for the course, and it seems the authorities are loathe to address the issues strongly due to lower profile.

Was surprised and disappointed to hear about the Sikh guy being attacked, as we've had a lot of Sikh fans I've seen in the ground, but I guess there are a-holes everywhere, and with racism basically being mainstreamed in the UK by both Brexit and our scummy corrupt government, its creeping out a lot more. The Robbie Lyle story is an odd one as it appears to be a fear of racism rather than actual racist incidents, and the Ivan Toney one is dickhead's online waving their imaginary phalluses around trying to be big men while hiding their identities - probably mostly teenagers. Sadly, twitter and Instagram are like bigotry and abuse magnets - even I've been abused on line and very few people know I exist!

Personally I've never had any racist comments at football (unlike other walks of life), and I've always found Arsenal to have a very welcoming atmosphere re all kinds of minority groups.

 

[Synical]

I've tried my best to explain that labelling a club fanbase as racist based on old tropes and headlines from the 80s/90's is just wrong and hurtful. It bothered me that some on here who clearly don't understand what the are talking about say certain things with chest.

I have provided recent examples (like the Sikh man as recently as 2022 getting repeat abuse at the Emirates) as well as statistical data to show that Arsenal are not as far from Chelsea as many of you happily go along with. Instead some of you choose to ignore it and double down on unfounded beliefs.

The size of the fanbase breeds more opportunities for hate crime which is what various data points shows, rather than an inherent doctrine related to the club perpetuated by rival fanbases.

Why are you so bothered? There's racist fans in every fanbase but Chelsea sticks in my mind. It makes no difference to me if they are now *less* racist than they were. I still will root against them every time because of my memories. Terry is their hero FFS

 

[Macho]

Why are you so bothered?

Because as a black person I have gone emirates and been called/seen or heard things which a lot of you are happy to bat away as a chelsea problem when it’s football culture.

Spoiler: More examples

Arsenal investigating video of fan racially abusing Napoli’s Kalidou Koulibaly

Arsenal have launched an investigation after a video emerged online where a supporter can be heard racially abusing the Napoli defender Kalidou Koulibaly

www.theguardian.com

https://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/newcastle-uniteds-joelinton-reveals-racist-insults-after-arsenal-game-4180127

Arsenal condemn racist abuse after Willian becomes latest victim on social media | Goal.com UK

Arsenal have spoken out against the racist abuse Willian has received and insist that discrimination must not be allowed to become "normalised" in football.

www.goal.com

Arsenal fan arrested over Tiote abuse

A 29-year-old man is arrested on suspicion of a racially abusing

www.sportsmole.co.uk

Arsenal and Wolves ban fans for abusive behaviour

Premier League clubs announce stadium bans as part of range of punishments

www.premierleague.com

The hypocrisy of Arsenal fans pointed out below:

Arsenal Fans’ ‘Oil Money’ Jibe At Manchester City Has Some Murky Undertones

Any moral high ground the fans were claiming becomes even more slippery when you examine some of Arsenal’s past sponsors, which have included an actual authoritarian regime.

www.forbes.com

The reality is, if I was a NF guy coming up now I’d sooner support modern Arsenal than Chelsea and the reverse would happen if I was an african kid coming up now - but many of you seem oblivious to this despite the numbers provided.

 

[The_Playmaker]

Because as a black person I have gone emirates and been called/seen or heard things which a lot of you are happy to bat away as a chelsea problem when it’s football culture.

Spoiler: More examples

Arsenal investigating video of fan racially abusing Napoli’s Kalidou Koulibaly

Arsenal have launched an investigation after a video emerged online where a supporter can be heard racially abusing the Napoli defender Kalidou Koulibaly

www.theguardian.com

https://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/newcastle-uniteds-joelinton-reveals-racist-insults-after-arsenal-game-4180127

Arsenal condemn racist abuse after Willian becomes latest victim on social media | Goal.com UK

Arsenal have spoken out against the racist abuse Willian has received and insist that discrimination must not be allowed to become "normalised" in football.

www.goal.com

Arsenal fan arrested over Tiote abuse

A 29-year-old man is arrested on suspicion of a racially abusing

www.sportsmole.co.uk

Arsenal and Wolves ban fans for abusive behaviour

Premier League clubs announce stadium bans as part of range of punishments

www.premierleague.com

The hypocrisy of Arsenal fans pointed out below:

Arsenal Fans’ ‘Oil Money’ Jibe At Manchester City Has Some Murky Undertones

Any moral high ground the fans were claiming becomes even more slippery when you examine some of Arsenal’s past sponsors, which have included an actual authoritarian regime.

www.forbes.com

The stone cold reality is, if I was a NF guy coming up now I’d sooner support modern Arsenal than Chelsea and the reverse would happen if I was an african kid coming up now - but many of you seem oblivious to this despite the numbers provided.

I don't recall ANYBODY saying that this is Chelseas problem and only Chelseas. It is a world wide problem.

Football culture is just one strand and abuse players Receive from fans is part of it. Yesterday saw a black official in thr Premier League for the second time since its inception. Look at how many black players there are, yet these players do not become coaches and managers. The same faces get sacked and rehired.

This whole debate stems from me saying that Chelsea's strongest line up currently fields 9 black players. That isn't normal for Chelsea, and I I said I feared for the players from a racial abuse standpoint based on the history of the club and how their fans behave as in my opinion, Chelsea are worse than Arsenal. It doesn't mean Arsenal are not bad.

You for some strange reason, took that as Arsenal are apparently better than everyone and have no racist issues. You then proceed to tell everyone your black, repeatedly by the way and on top of that you tell everyone to state facts before talking. You then post facts from thr national government website showing in crowd bans for racism which Chelsea had more of than Arsenal even though they have 20k less fans in the stadium every week.

The debate is over as far as I am concerned. It isn't going anyway and you are not taking it to a place that makes any sense.

 

[ArsenesCoatMaker]

Because as a black person I have gone emirates and been called/seen or heard things which a lot of you are happy to bat away as a chelsea problem when it’s football culture.

Spoiler: More examples

Arsenal investigating video of fan racially abusing Napoli’s Kalidou Koulibaly

Arsenal have launched an investigation after a video emerged online where a supporter can be heard racially abusing the Napoli defender Kalidou Koulibaly

www.theguardian.com

https://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/newcastle-uniteds-joelinton-reveals-racist-insults-after-arsenal-game-4180127

Arsenal condemn racist abuse after Willian becomes latest victim on social media | Goal.com UK

Arsenal have spoken out against the racist abuse Willian has received and insist that discrimination must not be allowed to become "normalised" in football.

www.goal.com

Arsenal fan arrested over Tiote abuse

A 29-year-old man is arrested on suspicion of a racially abusing

www.sportsmole.co.uk

Arsenal and Wolves ban fans for abusive behaviour

Premier League clubs announce stadium bans as part of range of punishments

www.premierleague.com

The hypocrisy of Arsenal fans pointed out below:

Arsenal Fans’ ‘Oil Money’ Jibe At Manchester City Has Some Murky Undertones

Any moral high ground the fans were claiming becomes even more slippery when you examine some of Arsenal’s past sponsors, which have included an actual authoritarian regime.

www.forbes.com

The reality is, if I was a NF guy coming up now I’d sooner support modern Arsenal than Chelsea and the reverse would happen if I was an african kid coming up now - but many of you seem oblivious to this despite the numbers provided.

Agreed that racism and abusive behaviour does need to be highlighted. And it's sad you've experienced such things. I remember even going back to us signing Gervinho, I remember some posters hated on him and called him Gerboue liking him to Eboue, which I thought was casual racism at the time.

Having said that the 'oil money' stuff isn't racism, we said the same about Abrahimovic FC when he came in. It's flat out buying the league in an unsporting manner.

 

[Macho]

Having said that the 'oil money' stuff isn't racism, we said the same about Abrahimovic FC when he came in. It's flat out buying the league in an unsporting manner.

It’s not at all, I’m just pointing out how hypocritical Arsenal fans can be. They point the finger at certain ownership not acknowledging their sponsors.

Thanks for understanding what I am trying to say though.

 

[Macho]

The debate is over as far as I am concerned. It isn't going anyway and you are not taking it to a place that makes any sense.

The debate was over when you said check the stats and I checked them.

I only responded because somebody asked me why I’m so pressed whilst again reinforcing that Chelsea are worse. There quite clearly is no worse, infact there is a lot similar from my perspective, but some of you refuse to acknowledge this.

The mods should perhaps move all of our posts anyways because it’s unfair to those who want to laugh at Chelsea’s spending and don’t feel as strongly as I do on the subject. @El Duderino @A_G

 

[Synical]

Because as a black person I have gone emirates and been called/seen or heard things which a lot of you are happy to bat away as a chelsea problem when it’s football culture.

Spoiler: More examples

Arsenal investigating video of fan racially abusing Napoli’s Kalidou Koulibaly

Arsenal have launched an investigation after a video emerged online where a supporter can be heard racially abusing the Napoli defender Kalidou Koulibaly

www.theguardian.com

https://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/newcastle-uniteds-joelinton-reveals-racist-insults-after-arsenal-game-4180127

Arsenal condemn racist abuse after Willian becomes latest victim on social media | Goal.com UK

Arsenal have spoken out against the racist abuse Willian has received and insist that discrimination must not be allowed to become "normalised" in football.

www.goal.com

Arsenal fan arrested over Tiote abuse

A 29-year-old man is arrested on suspicion of a racially abusing

www.sportsmole.co.uk

Arsenal and Wolves ban fans for abusive behaviour

Premier League clubs announce stadium bans as part of range of punishments

www.premierleague.com

The hypocrisy of Arsenal fans pointed out below:

Arsenal Fans’ ‘Oil Money’ Jibe At Manchester City Has Some Murky Undertones

Any moral high ground the fans were claiming becomes even more slippery when you examine some of Arsenal’s past sponsors, which have included an actual authoritarian regime.

www.forbes.com

The reality is, if I was a NF guy coming up now I’d sooner support modern Arsenal than Chelsea and the reverse would happen if I was an african kid coming up now - but many of you seem oblivious to this despite the numbers provided.

Nobody's saying it's just a Chelsea problem but the fact they protected Terry made me hate them and think they are the worst club for racism. Every football club has racist fans. Any time a black player misses a penalty the racial abuse comes.

 

[A_G]

 

[Macho]

This is why I was losing my mind when someone on here who had absolutely no clue what he was talking about was swearing blind Arsenal are superior to the likes of Chelsea when it comes to this stuff despite all the figures I provided. No.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1721158889478013322

 

[Synical]

Every club has racist fans. I've always thought Chelsea are one of the clubs with the most, but Arsenal does seem to have it's fair share. No rOoM fOr rAcIsM is wearing a bit thin though

 

[Macho]

 

[AberGooner]

Just heard about this now. Sad to hear any player subject to this but towards one of our own in Joe, from our own supposed fans. Disgraceful.

 

[Sapient Hawk]

Sadly, it seems the **** element amongst our support has reared its ugly & almost certainly inbred head.

I'm not naive to think our fanbase would be above such disgraceful acts, but when one realizes the overwhelming black support base, not to mention club legends and players the club brought through, you'd think the knuckle-dragging imbeciles would catch on to the fact that it flies against everything the club stands for.

 

[Batman]

Racism is a disease borne out of ignorance and stupidity. Unfortunately there are a lot of ignorant and stupid people on the planet and so as disgusting as it is to think that some count themselves among our supporters, it would be naive not to assume they're within the ranks. Unfortunately these vile people are everywhere.

 

[A_G]

at least he didn’t bet on anything or he’d be in real trouble

 

[A_G]

Not Kun too

 

[Sapient Hawk]

Not Kun too

He should've been savvy enough to replace anything with inflammatory & this wouldn't have been newsworthy.