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Raheem Sterling: Shaken, Not Sterred

Batman

Hard on crime, soft on Stan

Country: USA

Player:Saliba
Sterling is 29 and not our player. The club never had any plans to buy him. I’m not buying he’s so bad in training even braindead martinelli is better. Logically it makes no sense in investing in him ahead of your own player. Why use Arsenal first team to create a market for Chelsea to sell him. That’s why he’s not playing
You're right, the team that paid Chelsea 60m for Kai Havertz is really averse to Chelsea making transfer fees. They're just loaning a player to not use him and paying part of his wages so as to avoid helping Chelsea sell him later on. 1000 IQ thinking by you and the club. Why go for the simplest explanation when you can come up with a ridiculous one?

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Rasmi

Calls It Like It Isn't

Country: England
You're right, the team that paid Chelsea 60m for Kai Havertz is really averse to Chelsea making transfer fees. They're just loaning a player to not use him and paying part of his wages so as to avoid helping Chelsea sell him later on. 1000 IQ thinking by you and the club. Why go for the simplest explanation when you can come up with a ridiculous one?

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Havertz was thought through deal and was 24 when we decided to spend big on him. He wasn’t last day loan deal to add another body. Also Edu said: To be fair, we never planned really to sign him when we started the transfer window, just to be very transparent.

You just looking for fight than using logic
 

Batman

Hard on crime, soft on Stan

Country: USA

Player:Saliba
Havertz was thought through deal and was 24 when we decided to spend big on him. He wasn’t last day loan deal to add another body. Also Edu said: To be fair, we never planned really to sign him when we started the transfer window, just to be very transparent.

You just looking for fight than using logic
There is nothing logical about suggesting that the club loaned a player and are purposefully not playing him to prevent helping Chelsea sell him. You would never loan the player if that was the case. What you're saying is utterly nonsensical.
 

Rasmi

Calls It Like It Isn't

Country: England
There is nothing logical about suggesting that the club loaned a player and are purposefully not playing him to prevent helping Chelsea sell him. You would never loan the player if that was the case. What you're saying is utterly nonsensical.
The club loaned him in as cover for Nelson as they couldn’t sell Nelson. So Nelson go out there and make name for himself and get the club transfer money in the summer. In the meantime Sterling covers for him. Clubs loan players all the time they have no intention to buy. Chelsea knew this as well. But that’s the best option they had. Arsenal was never gonna buy 30 year old Sterling on over 300k

From Chelsea perspective it’s easy decision as well. Keep him pay him 320k a week and not play him a minute. Or save 160k a week. The season is long and due to injuries he will probably get some minutes at Arsenal. He shows enough that someone comes in for him next summer from them. Its really not that complicated
 

RunTheTrap

Says Aesthetics Merchants, but really means Trilly
His lack of game time is baffling.

Nelli has responded well to his signing but not that well so I don’t think Raheem is being treated fairly here, especially as he’s looked reasonably effective when given useful minutes.
Raheem is not our player, so we don't have to treat him fairly. Not that I agree but that is probably how the club sees it. It is more beneficial to the club to give minutes to assets you own than a Chelsea player.
 

Batman

Hard on crime, soft on Stan

Country: USA

Player:Saliba
The club loaned him in as cover for Nelson as they couldn’t sell Nelson. So Nelson go out there and make name for himself and get the club transfer money in the summer. In the meantime Sterling covers for him. Clubs loan players all the time they have no intention to buy. Chelsea knew this as well. But that’s the best option they had. Arsenal was never gonna buy 30 year old Sterling on over 300k

From Chelsea perspective it’s easy decision as well. Keep him pay him 320k a week and not play him a minute. Or save 160k a week. The season is long and due to injuries he will probably get some minutes at Arsenal. He shows enough that someone comes in for him next summer from them. Its really not that complicated
Like clockwork defeating your own argument. Your premise is that our primary reason for not playing him is to avoid helping Chelsea sell him yet you've just pointed out that we're saving Chelsea money by taking him on loan in the first place when we could just have left him there to collect all of his wages AND make it impossible for his value to grow.

Beyond that, this club believed it would be contending for a title. Why would their concern be what Chelsea may or may not do in the next summer window with Sterling over winning a title? If Sterling has any ability whatsoever to help this club win the trophies that you say it needs to win, is your infantile argument actually that they're spending 100k a week on him to be a warm body who does not play enough to contribute to that goal because they're more concerned about his value to Chelsea growing? Really? Stan and Josh would be at the title parade refusing to celebrate because Boehly might get a few quid for Sterling after some successful cameos? That's the hill you're choosing?

What you will never be able to explain in this little bird-brained conspiracy of yours is why we wouldn't just have loaned a cheaper cover option if they weren't going to play and not helped Chelsea at all. A team who was operating first and foremost to not help Chelsea would not help Chelsea at all by taking the guy on loan in the first place and a team who just wanted a body who was never going to play could just have kept Marquinhos here for a fraction of the weekly cost. Explain why we wouldn't just do that if the intention isn't to play the player we're loaning rather than help Chelsea in the first place by taking Sterling. You'll never be able to do it because your little conspiracy is poorly thought out and doesn't pass any smell test.

He was very obviously loaned with the idea that he could offer something. That opinion that he could offer something may have changed after seeing him in training but the club didn't just decide to help Chelsea by loaning him and then not play him to hurt Chelsea. That's ridiculous.
 

Trilly

All views posted are NOT my own

Country: England
Raheem is not our player, so we don't have to treat him fairly. Not that I agree but that is probably how the club sees it. It is more beneficial to the club to give minutes to assets you own than a Chelsea player.
I didn’t want to get too tin-foil hat on here as it’s only speculation but I think this is it.

Firstly, if we make it clear we rate Raheem then we lose power in any future negotiations. Secondly why would we tank Martinelli’s value and form while playing a rival’s player into form?

I’m just finding it hard to believe that Nelli is as better than him as the playing time suggests.
 

scytheavatar

Established Member
Sterling is 29 and not our player. The club never had any plans to buy him. I’m not buying he’s so bad in training even braindead martinelli is better. Logically it makes no sense in investing in him ahead of your own player. Why use Arsenal first team to create a market for Chelsea to sell him. That’s why he’s not playing

Ødegaard was not our player when we first got him on loan and that didn't stop Arteta from playing him...... obviously we got Sterling on loan because we saw potential in him as someone we can sign permanently.
 

Rasmi

Calls It Like It Isn't

Country: England
Ødegaard was not our player when we first got him on loan and that didn't stop Arteta from playing him...... obviously we got Sterling on loan because we saw potential in him as someone we can sign permanently.
We absolutely did not see him as potential signing. We never thought of him until end of the window. Edu even said it Ødegaard just turned 23. Sterling will be 30 years old in the summer on 320k and we saw him as potential signing….come on now
 

Rasmi

Calls It Like It Isn't

Country: England
Like clockwork defeating your own argument. Your premise is that our primary reason for not playing him is to avoid helping Chelsea sell him yet you've just pointed out that we're saving Chelsea money by taking him on loan in the first place when we could just have left him there to collect all of his wages AND make it impossible for his value to grow.

Beyond that, this club believed it would be contending for a title. Why would their concern be what Chelsea may or may not do in the next summer window with Sterling over winning a title? If Sterling has any ability whatsoever to help this club win the trophies that you say it needs to win, is your infantile argument actually that they're spending 100k a week on him to be a warm body who does not play enough to contribute to that goal because they're more concerned about his value to Chelsea growing? Really? Stan and Josh would be at the title parade refusing to celebrate because Boehly might get a few quid for Sterling after some successful cameos? That's the hill you're choosing?

What you will never be able to explain in this little bird-brained conspiracy of yours is why we wouldn't just have loaned a cheaper cover option if they weren't going to play and not helped Chelsea at all. A team who was operating first and foremost to not help Chelsea would not help Chelsea at all by taking the guy on loan in the first place and a team who just wanted a body who was never going to play could just have kept Marquinhos here for a fraction of the weekly cost. Explain why we wouldn't just do that if the intention isn't to play the player we're loaning rather than help Chelsea in the first place by taking Sterling. You'll never be able to do it because your little conspiracy is poorly thought out and doesn't pass any smell test.

He was very obviously loaned with the idea that he could offer something. That opinion that he could offer something may have changed after seeing him in training but the club didn't just decide to help Chelsea by loaning him and then not play him to hurt Chelsea. That's ridiculous.
You always get stuck on something and argue from that point. Sterling was never in our plans. He’s brought in as cover until we can address the position in the summer. A loan player with no intention of future signing is never gonna get fair crack. Unless he’s miles ahead of the competition and blowing everyones mind in training which I doubt he is anyway

I would guess he’s probably about same level as Martinelli overall, maybe tiny bit better or worse. That’s not enough to give him minutes and tank our players value. It’s really not that complicated. Take the emotions out of it and I agree with the club on this.
 

Entropics

Established Member

Country: Colombia

Player:Saka
Freeing 160k a week off Chelsea's wage bill to not tank Martinelli's value

At least the Nelson loan is working decently
 

Batman

Hard on crime, soft on Stan

Country: USA

Player:Saliba
You always get stuck on something and argue from that point. Sterling was never in our plans. He’s brought in as cover until we can address the position in the summer. A loan player with no intention of future signing is never gonna get fair crack. Unless he’s miles ahead of the competition and blowing everyones mind in training which I doubt he is anyway

I would guess he’s probably about same level as Martinelli overall, maybe tiny bit better or worse. That’s not enough to give him minutes and tank our players value. It’s really not that complicated. Take the emotions out of it and I agree with the club on this.
Yes, people who make effective arguments do tend to stick to a point. That's why you never win them. What you've said makes no logical sense which is why you're already kind of backtracking. Just as I stated, you still cannot explain why this player who wasn't in our plans and who we are apparently not playing so as not to help Chelsea was brought in for cover when the team had a myriad of other, cheaper ways to cover that position which would not have helped Chelsea. No team at this level is going to cut off their nose to spite their face with an eye towards the fee the club loaning us the player might get for the player. That's you thinking from a fan perspective rather than how anyone actually conducts business.
 

Rasmi

Calls It Like It Isn't

Country: England
Yes, people who make effective arguments do tend to stick to a point. That's why you never win them. What you've said makes no logical sense which is why you're already kind of backtracking. Just as I stated, you still cannot explain why this player who wasn't in our plans and who we are apparently not playing so as not to help Chelsea was brought in for cover when the team had a myriad of other, cheaper ways to cover that position which would not have helped Chelsea. No team at this level is going to cut off their nose to spite their face with an eye towards the fee the club loaning us the player might get for the player. That's you thinking from a fan perspective rather than how anyone actually conducts business.
Yet everyone thinks you wrong and I’m right. When everyone think you wrong it’s time to reflect
 

Batman

Hard on crime, soft on Stan

Country: USA

Player:Saliba
Yet everyone thinks you wrong and I’m right. When everyone think you wrong it’s time to reflect
Who is everyone? The 3 people who liked your posts? By the way, if you followed your own advice in the second sentence, you'd have stopped posting years ago.
 

GoonerJeeves

Established Member

Country: Norway
I don't think he is disgruntled. Somehow this reminds me of the Baptista loan. It became evident that we were never going to sign him, yet still he produced some memorable moments.

We're not signing Sterling, but he might well come up some good moments this season.
 

fute

Well-Known Member

Country: USA
Arteta did him a solid. Sterling wasn't going to play at Chelsea. They told him as much. We had to move Nelson and Chelsea was willing pay part of Sterling's salary.

Sterling's outlook is little playing time is better than no playing time and still get paid. Even if he is washed, Arteta trusts him more than he ever would Nelson. Right or wrong. So the few times Saka won't play or gets subbed at the 89th minute, we'll see Sterling.

Maybe that changes going forward. Maybe he needs to get more fit. Who knows.
 

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