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Reiss Nelson: Mutable's Son

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by MutableEarth, Jan 20, 2020.

  1. Geofranco

    Geofranco Well-Known Member

    I already said that if Nelson doesn't make it here, flair players like Hutchinson and Flores will need a miracle to breakthrough. Cause Nelson was more electrifying at like 14 than both. Had everything you want in a young attacking prospect. He was rated higher than even Sancho and Odoi at that point.
     
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  2. Macho

    Macho Established Member Trusted

    He lacks balls tbh. Always plays with fear on his face and whilst I’d like him to force a way into the side - playing week in week out with the manager’s arm around him would benefit him more.

    Unfortunately, you won’t really find that from loan moves. That gap between U23s and men’s football is so awkward.
     
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  3. Oxeki

    Oxeki New Threads, Old Tweets

    He showed some good signs vs Leicester. We need to continue to give him minutes against subpar opposition to build his confidence.

    I remember him being always fearless. I don't know what happened between him and Naggelsmann in Hoffenheim in the second half of the 2018/2019 season. He hasn't recovered from it. In the first half of that season he was on par with Sancho in the Bundesliga.

    Look at CHO, he always relishes the chance to take on a defender.
     
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  4. AbouCuéllar

    AbouCuéllar Well-Known Member

    Tbf I don't think that's necessarily true, look at Saka, who at 14 wasn't half the player Nelson was, but at 18 was twice the player.

    History is littered with examples of footballers who looked to have absolutely everything at the age of 15-18, but then for whatever reason didn't translate their abilities to the highest level. In Nelson's case so far it seems to be his on the pitch personality.

    But just because Flores and Hutchinson aren't any better than Nelson was at 16 doesn't mean they can't be better pros or make it here, they're all extremely talented.
     
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  5. Impact

    Impact Well-Known Member

    Surprised that nothing has materialised regarding a loan. There are a lot of players ahead of Nelson in the pecking order and he needs games to develop.
     
  6. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    Nelson has to leave Arsenal IMO. Not playing any football, didn't get sent on loan, it's not good enough for him. I'd take £20m+, only go cheaper if there's a buyback.
     
  7. truth_hurts

    truth_hurts Well-Known Member

    Cannot understand why he wasn't loaned out. Massive mismanagement. His value and confidence are dropping rapidly.
     
  8. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Dissociating

    He must have missed a beep test in training.
     
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  9. RunTheTrap

    RunTheTrap Well-Known Member

    Arteta went from starting him over Pepe to giving him bleep tests for Europa group games. This violation can’t run anymore. #FreeNelly.
     
  10. Trilly

    Trilly The John Sauce Of Ilford Trusted

    Agree.

    Another one I like to use is Rashford. Was never even the highest rated talent in his age groups at United but when the kid came onto the scene he was fearless.

    Will shoot from anywhere, will try the elasticos and high risk skill moves, no fear of playing badly. Mbappe another obvious one that combines that fearlessness with elite talent.
     
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  11. Football Manager

    Football Manager Copy & Paste Merchant

    I never rated Nelson’s skills and technical ability. Saka looks more skillful to me back then when they were in the u23.
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    @MutableEarth
    Do you remember we had a discussion years ago on Nelson, Amaechi and Saka?

    You said Nelson was more technical, Amaechi is more physical. And you think they will have better development and career than Saka.

    I said I don’t think they will become top talent. But if I have to pick one, saka is the best player out of the three. He uses his skills better, and he is smarter with his movement.

    Now, Saka is not at Sancho/Odoi level. He is great but not regarded a top talent. Nelson’s and Amaechi are clearly not as good as saka. Which is exactly what I have predicted.
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    Back then when Gnabry was here, I was very angry when we kept playing walcott/chamberlain/podolski/campbell but not Gnabry.

    Other fans seems fine with that, they don’t get why i was so angry, they don’t rate him because of his injury. But what I saw is that every time he was on the pitch, he produced something smart and intelligent.

    It’s just like how I see van persie. Some people said Van Persie only had good few years at Arsenal. I disagree. In his early years, whenever he was not injured, he produced some magical performance.

    Just by looking at his dribbling skills, techniques and football intelligence, you know he is a world class player. Same for Gnabry, I don’t get why people will not rate a player just because he has an injury.
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    I never rated Nketiah and willock at u23. People were hyping them and I stand by what I think. Now people have had enough of them.
    @MutableEarth
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    I believe Matt Smith and Hutchinson will become good players. Let’s see what is going to happen in the future.
    @MutableEarth
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    Jeff and Burton are the two I expected them to stay for longer. Maybe I’ve got it wrong for these two, but for most of the time, I’ve been pretty accurate.
    @MutableEarth
     
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2020
  12. Penn_

    Penn_ Established Member

    Seems further away from the first team now than two years ago.
     
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  13. American_Gooner

    American_Gooner Not actually American. Unless Di Marzio says so. Moderator


    Worried if Dundalk doesn't count as "the right moment"
     
  14. El Duderino

    El Duderino 99 Problems But A Mitch Ain't One Trusted



    Does not bold well for the boy and Arsenal minutes @MutableEarth....

    Needs to go on loan come January.
     
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  15. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    Soundbite from Arteta. Nelson's been "training very well" since towards the end of last season and still gets dropped and isn't even starting Cup games. I'll believe him when I see him get some starts. Starting from tomorrow.
     
  16. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    It does not. Maybe Nelson didn't help his cause by showing grit and deciding to fight for a place. A safer move would have been to jump at a loan. Credit to him for wanting to fight for a place and show his mettle in training but he didnt do himself any favors here. He has to pull a 9/10 to sway Arteta here. He can do it but he has to start being brave in matches and not just in training.
     
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  17. krengon

    krengon One Arsene Wenger Trusted

    He really has to push for a move for the sake of his career. Those quotes sounds like the typical pr stuff you hear about players who get limited minutes.
     
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  18. MutableEarth

    MutableEarth Bloody awesome NSFW avatars Trusted

    The quote afterwards is worse tbf :lol:



    That's basically "I don't plan on playing him really but I like the cut of his jib so he'll get a few bleep tests every now and then this season when people get hurt".
     
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  19. Macho

    Macho Established Member Trusted

    If I was looking at Pepe and Willian from the bench in my position I would stay and fight for my place myself. You can’t blame him for that.

    Always looks more natural when he’s out wide for us too, I can’t explain it but out academy products kinda just slot in - unspectacularly mind.
     
  20. truth_hurts

    truth_hurts Well-Known Member

    Hasn't done enough with the chances that he's had in the team. AMN and Saka have broken into the England squad, whilst Nelson is getting splinters. He has himself to blame however harsh that sounds.
     

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