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Isn't it a bit weird for there to be a document for something like that? Pretty naive.
His own lawyers aren’t arguing it’s validity. Their argument is leaking it is illegal.
It’s got his own signature on. Mate, he’s done.
Isn't it a bit weird for there to be a document for something like that? Pretty naive.
Is this gonna amount to anything?His own lawyers aren’t arguing it’s validity. Their argument is leaking it is illegal.
It’s got his own signature on. Mate, he’s done.
Is this gonna amount to anything?
I don't disagree there, don't get me wrong. That statement is very damning; it's nothing short of a confession and in that case you don't really need a trial to come to a conclusion.Also as for everyone on here saying innocent until proven guilty, the guy admits it in an internal memo to his own lawyer.
It’s cut and dry. He did it. Inadmissible as the evidence may be.
Nobody here may have stated that, but many people outside of this site are assuming guilt on these sorts of cases and that's what I was talking about when I replied to North's post. It was my opinion on a general topic, not on anyone here.Saying 'innocent until proven guilty' doesn't make sense since nobody said he should be thrown in prison immediately. All people are saying is that accusations should be taken seriously and investigated so the facts in this case come to light.
Also, is there an example of a public figure whose reputation/career was ruined by a false allegation? People often say this without citing any names.
But in the Ronaldo case, the email from his lawyer might be the reason why. Nobody can say for sure that he is guilty, it would be wrong to do so until/unless new evidence comes to light but based on what we do know it doesn't look good for him.Nobody here may have stated that, but many people outside of this site are assuming guilt on these sorts of cases and that's what I was talking about when I replied to North's post. It was my opinion on a general topic, not on anyone here.
I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, it absolutely does. But going after a public figure, especially someone with the profile of Ronaldo is a different story altogether. Many of these accusers get doxxed, death threats etc. Why you put yourself through all that bother with a false allegation?On the second point, I do have a personal anecdote. I do loosely know of someone who was accused of rape and proved to not have done so. Apparently the girl was trying to get back at him for I'm not sure what. I don't know all the details on how that conclusion was reached, but irrespective of that, it was concluded he was innocent and yet he lost many of his friends over it. He was treated like **** while the case was open and there is no reversing that. He lost touch with them, got really depressed, and even though I believe the girl also didn't fare well I'm sure he doesn't find much solace in that.
It's not about taking sides though. There's a cultural shift taking place from a time when women weren't believed, to now when allegations are taken seriously. When people say they believe the victims it doesn't mean lock up the accused without any sort of investigation. Nobody should just presume guilt with every single allegation. That's as ridiculous as saying that every allegation is made up. Just look at the facts of the case and let due process take its course.I don't think you even need a real example to reach a conclusion like this though, I'd think it's obvious. On a related note, there are people who are genuinely convinced that people should take the woman's side in rape cases and have the men prove their innocence, and that's deeply concerning. If people are automatically taking sides like that, it says a lot about their regard for the alleged suspect's reputation.
I fully support that and am glad it's happening.It's not about taking sides though. There's a cultural shift taking place from a time when women weren't believed, to now when allegations are taken seriously. When people say they believe the victims it doesn't mean lock up the accused without any sort of investigation. Nobody should just presume guilt with every single allegation. That's as ridiculous as saying that every allegation is made up. Just look at the facts of the case and let due process take its course.
We can, but you make it sound simpler than it is. It is not uncommon for people to make large assumptions based on limited facts. It happens all the time, and it's common with cases like this. People act like things are open and shut when they might not be. There is no harm in saying you don't know instead of spreading assumptions to other people as if they're indisputable truths.We can draw our own conclusions from the facts presented to us, even if a court cannot convict.
This is why I've mentioned before that the courts are not well suited to finding the truth in these cases, unfortunately.
No, we're not. ****ing ridiculous statement. What are you saying, assume everyone's guilty? People jumped to conclusions about Ched Evans and look what happened there.
We can, but you make it sound simpler than it is. It is not uncommon for people to make large assumptions based on limited facts. It happens all the time, and it's common with cases like this. People act like things are open and shut when they might not be, and I personally really dislike when people do this. There is no harm in saying you don't know instead of spreading assumptions to other people as if they're indisputable truths.
I think that's my qualm. Imo, you're entitled to your opinion, but it isn't right to talk about it as if it's fact, as people often do.
I don't know, I can't say I'm entirely sure of what to think here. It's a sensitive subject.
Absolutely. I'm mostly going on the fact he is on record as saying she said no and then he apologized though. Really hard to look past that.We can, but you make it sound simpler than it is. It is not uncommon for people to make large assumptions based on limited facts. It happens all the time, and it's common with cases like this. People act like things are open and shut when they might not be, and I personally really dislike when people do this. There is no harm in saying you don't know instead of spreading assumptions to other people as if they're indisputable truths.
I think that's my qualm. Imo, you're entitled to your opinion, but it isn't right to talk about it as if it's fact, as people often do.
I don't know, I can't say I'm entirely sure of what to think here. It's a sensitive subject.
Not only is this ridiculously false, it perpetrates a very bad image for men.
I've been married 20 years, does that mean I can a** f*** my wife without her consent? I mean, she's said yes to so much already?
well, that's kinda damning evidence isn't that...What sets this one apart is his own quotes in the questionnaire given by legal counsel.
If they are legit quotes & true to the original language spoke in he has royally ****ed himself over. Its not the standard he said / she said... He said it!
http://www.spiegel.de/international...iles-complaint-against-ronaldo-a-1230759.html
thank you. Most of the guys and ladies posting on this thread have been very respectful even though it's a prickly topic.The only person so far to actually voice their concerns in a coherent manner and was not shy about being called out for being arcaic is @krackpot . Man was genuinely curious.
Also worth mentioning that just because something can't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Of course you can't charge someone in such circumstances, but neither should we just blindly accept that they are innocent. This is of particular relevance in these cases where their very nature means there will almost never be witnesses. So almost always reasonable doubt, but very easy for someone to get away with something because of this.
China’s conviction rate is commonly well above 99 per cent, with 778 acquittals and 1.184 million convictions being recorded in 2014.
The principle of “innocent until proven guilty” has been implemented across the Chinese judicial system, the Supreme People’s Court’s top official added, reported the China Daily.