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How many know De Ligt before Jan? Overrated
Not true. Peak Umtiti is stronger than that list. His injuries have been what has let him down recently. On all statistical front (not to name leadership) he is a class above.
Why does that matter if they play in Italy? It’s actually laughable that you’re basing it on 1 or 2 games when it should be based off of consistency. Koulibaly, De Ligt and Škriniar are all a class above Umtiti.
Put any of them in the Arsenal backline and we improve significantly.
How many know De Ligt before Jan? Overrated
Have you watched Serie A in the last few years? It's pretty dreadful in terms of quality. The whole reputation of Italian defenses and their defensive know-how are lazy stereotypes being applied from 2 decades ago. Italian defenses and are bang average from what I've seen recently apart from Juve. Even their CBs are all old and came through during a time when Italian defenses were good and overall, so was Serie A.
The attacking players are on average well below the quality of the other so called top tier leagues as well. The only player who's been a outright success in the PL who came from Serie A has been Salah. Can't think of too many other big transfers that went to Spain, Germany or England that were successful. I'm talking about this decade mostly.
Pogba, Jorginho, even Torreira were all pretty much meh. The latter 2 have spent only a year so they might improve. The ease with which the worst Arsenal squad in over 2 decades beat Milan and Napoli was eye opening for me.
Is this the same Umtiti that I’ve been watching the past few years? Or is it the football manager version?
Wow Umtiti is seriously overrated on here. No way is he anywhere as good as the defenders I listed.
De Ligt overrated ? No.
De Ligt worldclass ? No either.
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The same umtiti who went home with a World Cup winners medal last year. For all their potential those on your list have yet to achieved anything.
But he was a starter. And prior to injury he was heading towards world class levels.Don’t even bring that sh*te.
Trashstafi is a World Cup winner and that means what?
Kleberson won the won cup too, his football career was monumental wasn’t it?
Wes Brown and Silvestre won the CL, they were top draw defender weren’t they?
The list is endless.
I hate it when football fans use trophies to measure a players ability. Shocking stuff.
Why does that matter if they play in Italy? It’s actually laughable that you’re basing it on 1 or 2 games when it should be based off of consistency. Koulibaly, De Ligt and Škriniar are all a class above Umtiti.
Put any of them in the Arsenal backline and we improve significantly.
De Ligt overrated ? No.
De Ligt worldclass ? No either.
He's got a lot of potential and has shown topclass performances, but I've also seen bad games of him and that's exactly what's normal for a player of his age. But you have to perform constantly, in the best leagues, for a long time to be considered woldclass. De Ligt isn't there yet, but brings everything to the table to reach that level.
Umtiti, however, has done it all, is a senior player with huge experience and proven in a top league. He was worldclass.
Nevertheless, it's hard to make a call on him right now, he did not look like the player of old when he got back to after his injuries. But that doesn't mean a full pre-season cannot help with him getting back to full confidence and act like a reset button.
Only issue with Umtiti is that there are some question marks about his injuries, not much else to question about his abilities though.
Serious question - did you watch Umtiti last season?
Regarding his injuries, we’ve been here before with many players, notably Rosicky and Diaby and I’d rather we stay away from a player that has a dreadful injury record. There’s a reason why Barcelona invested in Lenglet and Todibo plus were seriously interested in De Ligt during the summer.
I know a lot of Barca fans who would be happy if someone takes him since he’s injury prone and his confidence looks gone which isn’t a good thing for defenders as that easily leads to errors which is the last thing we need.
We’re becoming a rehab for players who are on the decline and confidence are shot, we’ve already failed with Mkhitaryan and Denis Suarez.
If all of these defenders in Serie A were so called world class, Bayern, Atletico and Real Madrid would be rebuilding with them. Man United could have bought one of them instead of Maguire. They just aren't as good as you are making out.
But he was a starter. And prior to injury he was heading towards world class levels.
That said I don't want a injury prone expensive signing on big salaries.
That's a different debate but Umtiti was on the verge of becoming world class. Only his terrible injury stopped him.Kleberson started the World Cup final in 2002 and does that mean he’s world class because he started and won it? Wes Brown done the same in the CL final in 2008 against Chelsea.
It’s a baseless debate to judge it on trophies imo.
That's a different debate but Umtiti was on the verge of becoming world class. Only his terrible injury stopped him.
I said I don't want him. But you can't deny he is a top quality player regardless of his injuries.So, you’ll take someone who has a poor injury record and his team are flogging him for that reason? You realise he only started 13 games last season.
It looks like another Wilshere, Rosicky, Diaby situation and you know how that ended up.
I’d rather have someone reliable who isn’t damaged goods and can play 30+ games a season.
I said I don't want him. But you can't deny he is a top quality player regardless of his injuries.