Santi Cazorla: My Friend, Is Adios, No?

[freeglennhelder2]

I know there is a tendency for the Diaby effect to kick in when a player is out for so long but this guy was the real deal.

Hey. When fit. Diaby was 100% the real deal.

I remember all 4 games with great clarity

(all joking aside Diaby on form was an absolute BEAST)

 

[carlito'sway]

Ten surgeries?!

Some players have a whole career having not had ten surgeries, he's had ten on one injury.

Absolutely gutted for him. Not just a top class player, a great person. No doubt his energy is missed around the training ground. I hope he'd be willing to accept a pay as you play deal- it'd be awful for his Arsenal career to end this way. He deserves a proper send off.

Agree. I would love for him to play one last game for AFC and get a proper send off. Great player and absolute class act. One of my favorite Arsenal players ever.

 

[HBL]

Will be absolutely gutted if we don’t see him play in an Arsenal shirt again. Easily my favourite player in recent times, really hope we offer him a pay as you play deal or something for next season. I don’t care if it’s being soft or whatever and we’ve done the same with Per/Arteta, this guy actually deserves it. He was incredible for us and made Coquelin look like a more than adequate dm for 12-18 months.

 

[Mo Britain]

Will be absolutely gutted if we don’t see him play in an Arsenal shirt again. Easily my favourite player in recent times, really hope we offer him a pay as you play deal or something for next season. I don’t care if it’s being soft or whatever and we’ve done the same with Per/Arteta, this guy actually deserves it. He was incredible for us and made Coquelin look like a more than adequate dm for 12-18 months.

He is a lovely guy, a family man, by all accounts so he probably doesn't need the money.

But hey, we're not a charity. If we decide to become one, £5,000,000 will sort out a lot of people's lives.

 

[Trilly]

Next...year?

 

[Brown Gooner]

I’m afraid his time as a professional footballer at the Top level is up. He needs to either retire and take up a coaching role or we need to sell him/let him become a free agent.

 

[Big Poppa]

I’m afraid his time as a professional footballer at the Top level is up. He needs to either retire and take up a coaching role or we need to sell him/let him become a free agent.

Thank you for confirming kind Sir.

 

[Brown Gooner]

Thank you for confirming kind Sir.

Your most welcome

EDIT: I actually read a user mention somewhere on AM in some thread (in the past 48 hours) that they’d like to see Santi link up with Jack, Özil, Mkhi and Lacazette. Therefore, I made that comment.

 

[Eduardo_da_Silva]

He never deserved this kind of ending. Beautiful player who proved that in football you dont have to be big or strong to be top class. All you need is talent and a lot of heart. Santi has more than enough of both.

Such a great personality and smile that you cant fake. Hope he stays a part of our club, maybe as assistant coach to Mert.

 

[IslingtonBornandbred]

Sounds like a little bit of mis-management, and mis-diagnosis if you ask me, by the surgeons and medical staff involved. Not only was he still playing with issues but he makes comments like the wound wasn't healing, they'd stitch him up, then he'd cycle and the stitches would open again. And the fact he's going from surgeon to surgeon, each with their own opinion doesn't help either. So he's gone from a crack in his ankle and continuing to play, to requiring knee surgery, to then having regular cortisone injections to play which can cause a lot of issues, to then having surgery on his ankle tendon which became infected and he continued to play whilst the wounds kept opening and becoming infected.

As I found out once, surgeons love to operate, it's what they do.....some will do everything to avoid operating, others want to jump right in and cut you open. I'll post this just for reference but I'm sure it's already been posted.

I mean, what the hell is this ****? What a mess.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...mains-hopeful-of-january-return-a3675626.html

 

[Mo Britain]

What I find unusual is how the club doesn't seem to have much control over the medical process. Wenger didn't even seem to know he'd has an operation last time and they all seem to be abroad.

 

[IslingtonBornandbred]

What I find unusual is how the club doesn't seem to have much control over the medical process. Wenger didn't even seem to know he'd has an operation last time and they all seem to be abroad.

Mate, it happens quite a lot. Maybe not when surgery is involved and not relative to this incident but I had a friend who was getting physiotherapy in East London at a private clinic around the time Bellamy and Kieron Dyer were at West Ham. Dyer/Bellamy were both unhappy they kept getting injured and decided to move from the club physios to this private guy and vice-versa. Whenever they had enough of one, they'd go to the other. I've also seen the likes of Loftus Cheek doing personal training with a "gym" guy that won't be named who isn't qualified and makes his clients do outright dangerous exercises. I just think to myself that these are athletes worth millions of pounds and you're just letting them go off with any tom **** and harry doing whatever, it's crazy.

 

[Mo Britain]

That was more or less my point. Teams seem to micro-manage fairly pointless stuff like tweets and so on but allow players to disappear for surgery rather than involve themselves, or even control, the process.

 

[SuperGoon]

There must always be a Stark in Winterfell.

There must always be a cripple in Arsenal.

 

[Beast Incarnate]

I love the little guy, but unfortunately he's finished.

Isn't his contact up in the summer? Time to let him go and move on I think.

 

[BobP]

Sounds like a little bit of mis-management, and mis-diagnosis if you ask me, by the surgeons and medical staff involved. Not only was he still playing with issues but he makes comments like the wound wasn't healing, they'd stitch him up, then he'd cycle and the stitches would open again. And the fact he's going from surgeon to surgeon, each with their own opinion doesn't help either. So he's gone from a crack in his ankle and continuing to play, to requiring knee surgery, to then having regular cortisone injections to play which can cause a lot of issues, to then having surgery on his ankle tendon which became infected and he continued to play whilst the wounds kept opening and becoming infected.

As I found out once, surgeons love to operate, it's what they do.....some will do everything to avoid operating, others want to jump right in and cut you open. I'll post this just for reference but I'm sure it's already been posted.

I mean, what the hell is this ****? What a mess.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...mains-hopeful-of-january-return-a3675626.html

Mismanagement is putting lightly, not the first time either.

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...yden-newcastle-arsenal-flamini-premier-league

“They didn’t scan the injury,” Hayden says. “They just said: ‘It’s OK to play on.’ I said it was sore but they were like: ‘That’s normal on a sprain. It’ll be fine.’ So I did a rehab session and I couldn’t even kick the ball. Every time it touched my foot, I was in agony. So they sent me for an MRI.

“It showed that the ATFL [anterior talofibular] ligament in the ankle had come away from the joint – it was spraying around in the joint – and, if I had carried on, it could have completely ruptured. It was hanging on by a thread. They also said there was a little fissure in the cartilage but that was nothing to worry about. I thought: ‘OK, I trust them with that. We’ll leave that.’ I was out for two months with the ligament.”

Hayden returned in December to play 72 minutes of an under-23 game against Bolton Wanderers. Wenger had recalled Francis Coquelin from his loan at Charlton Athletic as a midfield selection crisis gripped. Coquelin did not force himself into the starting team straight away and Hayden felt the window of opportunity remained open. Then he tried to get out of bed after the Bolton match. He got back in. The ankle had swollen badly.

Arsenal’s medics were puzzled. They knew the ligament had healed and an MRI scan confirmed it. They prescribed a fortnight of rest but Hayden continued to feel pain. So they called on the ankle specialist James Calder, who sent Hayden for a CT scan with a dye injection, which would highlight everything. It picked up a significant flap tear in the cartilage that needed surgery and up to five months out. Hayden’s season was wrecked. “I was just numb,” he says.

 

[Mo Britain]

This is a real horror story. Maybe it's better if the team doesn't manage serious injuries after all!

 

[YeahBee]

This is a real horror story. Maybe it's better if the team doesn't manage serious injuries after all!

our medical staff is probably on par with the other teams

the number of injuries our team has is down to 2 things, which is the same thing really

we are smaller, less athletic and weaker than other teams
(all PL teams average height is within an inch or so)
we are in the bottom 3 on weight) but Man City and Lpool are smaller

but back to athletic, we are less so. Wenger has a prefered player, he is small technical and a playmaker, and it is biting us in the ass. when we do occasionaly get an athlete now like Kola, wenger unexpectedly drops him? WHY??????

and by athletic I mean explosive and fast, fast twitch muscles.

Look this is supposed to be our big strong target man

He is just tall and skinny

Is this a grown man or a buy?
look closer, that ain't abs it is rolls (small and yes I am tubby but I don't get paid millions to play football either)

chicken legs aswell

I remember Freddie Ljungberg always saying that we didn't even do pre-season physical training, everything involved a ball. wtf?

athletes of any kind needs to go to the gym, needs to do cardio and preferably balance/agility training to. it makes you less suceptible to injuries, makes you able to perform to a higher degree

The invincibles were pretty much all athletes except Dennis, Pires was a proto Cristiano, Freddie was a less selfish Alexis, Paddy and Henry are two of the most athletic players ever in the game, Gilberto was an perpetual motion machine and the backline, super athletic.


By not having those kind of players in the team our small technical guys gets beat up to much, sort of like having a Tie Domi in NHL, a cop it is called in hockey. People not named Roy Keane wouldn't dare fvck with us when Paddy et al were on the pitch, last 10 years without such a player = much worse

 

[krengon]

https://www.arsenal.com/news/what-latest-santi-cazorla

on Santi Cazorla...
The latest news is that he is supposed to come back now. He had his latest surgery and we have to see where we go from there.

on whether he will play this season...
I sent him a message two weeks ago and wished him well, hoping to see him soon. He has not come back yet because he has just had surgery. The medical people know much better than I do whether he will play again in 2018 before the end of the season. Before the end of the season will be hard for him.

on whether he will be offered a new deal...
That depends on his medical availability at the top level. We have to assess that until the end of the season - if Santi is fit and available to play, then yes. Of course, we have to see that.

on whether Santi will make it back to the top level...
That is why I tell you it is a complicated situation because first of all we love him, second of all he is a great football player but the third situation is that you need to be healthy today to play at the intensity that is needed in the Premier League. So we have to see if he can absorb that or not.

 

[KROENKE SUCKS]

We have more injuries on average because we allow the refs to give our players no protection. Back when Dein was around this wasn't an issue but once he was fired there was no one left on the board to handle these kinds of executive decisions.

Hopefully this will change now that Wenger has raised hell. This has nothing to do with the athleticism of the players we sign, just look at Diaby.