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Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Slartibartfast, Mar 17, 2019.

  1. Kingslayer

    Kingslayer Forza Milan

  2. field442

    field442 Abandoned Emery because of Lacazette

    #WelcomeEdu
     
  3. Artisan

    Artisan Well-Known Member

    Tbf he did want Manolas who had some form of clause or another that I can't recall. As usual the club ****ed it up and we were desperate by the end of the window. Of course how much of the **** ups in our player dealings are down to Wenger or Dick Law and Gazidis or a combination of all parties involved will never be known unless one of them decides to release tell all book.
     
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  4. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    Wenger was an employee, reports that he was God are much over hyped.
     
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  5. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    I haven’t read anybody saying that bro.
     
  6. Beksl

    Beksl Sell All The Youngsters

    Last couple of seasons maybe but not before that.
     
  7. Jae

    Jae Well-Known Member

    Hope this happens. Would love to be able to tap in to the South American market.
     
  8. Mrs Bergkamp

    Mrs Bergkamp Well-Known Member

    Edu has been very coy and says he wants to concentrate on the Copa. That's fair enough but the transfer window opens tomorrow and closes on August 8th. He'll have less than a month with two months wasted if Brazil make the final. I trust he's secretly done his Arsenal homework and handed Raul an extensive list of targets.
     
  9. Slartibartfast

    Slartibartfast Opta Loyalist

    There have been numerous reports that this is the case, so hopefully they're on top of things.

     
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  10. So it's gonna be Edu. Don't know what he can do and if he is gonna be good. It's a leap in the dark, something we have already seen with us.
     
  11. Dj_sds -

    Dj_sds - Well-Known Member

    According to you, and others, all the good that happened to arsenal was wenger and all the bad was the fault of someone else. But im pretty sure you have the common sense to know he was at fault for a number of failures in the last 5 or so years.
     
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  12. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    Rubbish.

    The truth is, you and many other fans have invented failures, exaggerated problems, mocked top 4 finishes and blamed Wenger, and Wenger alone for everything from tactic and transfers to leaks in the showers. And finally after 20 years of success you took him down by using social media rants, planes, boycotts, protests and ridiculous Wenger Out memes that spread round the world.

    Some of us tried to point that although Wenger had faults and stayed too long, there just might be other factors that contributed to the perceived problems that people had been pointing out for years. Because overall Wenger’s stats were exceptional for a club spending 5th in the league, certainly up until 2015/16. After that his tenure became untenable and how he managed to even come 5th and 6th with pressure on him and the team was in itself a miracle.

    Wenger wasn’t perfect, but he was a very good manager and a fantastic human being.
     
  13. Slartibartfast

    Slartibartfast Opta Loyalist

    Critics love to cherry pick every Arsenal transfer that didn't work out, but the fact is that all managers -- whether directly their own fault or from bad advice or front office decisions -- have their blunders. Sir Alex Ferguson had plenty of them. He bought Bebe having never seen him play. He barely saw the pitch for them in four years (and was loaned out to three different clubs). Kleberson, Djemba-Djemba, Taibi, Bellion, Dong Fangzhuo, Gabriel Obertan. Some really big money ones, too, like Juan Sebastian Veron (wonderful player, but a bust at United), Owen Hargreaves and Anderson. It took him years to properly replace Schmeichel. He let Paul Pogba go for nothing and it cost them £89 million to get him back.

    Of course United has always been able to spend their way out of mistakes in a way that Arsenal never has. Even before Abramovich upped the ante on transfers at Chelsea, United was able to spend enough money on Rio Ferdinand to buy Fabio Cannavaro and Alessandro Nesta.
     
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  14. SingmeasongSong

    SingmeasongSong Well-Known Member

    Exactly.

    Ferguson is an alltime great, but anyone who doesn't realize he's had the 10 times easier job need to think again.
     
  15. PoleInGoal

    PoleInGoal Well-Known Member

    This is true, but then you also see him winning league titles with the likes of Rafael, Ashley Young and Tom Cleverly and it’s actually quite impressive
     
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  16. SingmeasongSong

    SingmeasongSong Well-Known Member

    That is why he belongs in the alltime bracket and so does Wenger .

    There's truth to what you say, yet, Young was pretty good at the beginning when he came from Aston Villa and everybody was looking at him back then. Also, Raffael was quality - guess it's just Wenger and Ferguson making players seem better as they actually are because they know how to get the best out of them
     
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  17. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    So true. So many of those United players went elsewhere and looked poor. So many of those Arsenal players went elsewhere and looked half the player.

    There’s a long list, but my current favourite is Sanchez.
     
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  18. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    The scouting and transfer side of a club is very important as it turns what money the club has into quality on the pitch. It’s far too big a job for the manager/coach to be heavily involved in. Yes they attend meetings and have their say, but they have to rely heavily on the experience of the scouts and the ability of the negotiators.

    To say Wenger bought this player or Ferguson bought that player is a sort of half truth.
     
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  19. tap-in

    tap-in :-)

    Yep, its very rare to move and not dip in form from us and Utd. RVP & Cesc are exceptions. I guess I should add that Ronaldo bloke too, he did ok :)
     
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  20. Miracetti

    Miracetti New Member

    Edu is a very competent professional and a decent guy, but he is also utterly infuriating in his paternalism with players. After the World Cup everybody was mad with Neymar behavior, diving all the time, dragging the number 10, Pelé shirt in the pitch, and Edu came on a PR tour with the media to clean Neymar as if he were some ingenous young player.
     
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