The Effect of Coronavirus on Football

RacingPhoton

❤️ Xhaka ❤️
How many COVID deaths were due to comorbidity thou?

Very good point with the sceond bolded part. Personally I think, at least in part, that's what's happening now.
Does comorbidity matter though? If covid can makes things bad enough to kill them who would have otherwise still be living with any other illnesses?
 

Beksl

Sell All The Youngsters
Does comorbidity matter though? If covid can makes things bad enough to kill them who would have otherwise still be living with any other illnesses?

It does matter from a statistical point of view because it doesn't distinct from casue and reason. It's an important distinction because, for example, an immune system of cancer patient in 4th stage can be compromised due to ANY kind of viral infection. IF COVID mortality is mostly down to comorbidity, especially illnesses that are on it's own in the category of high mortality rate, then it gives a different picture then just plain simple 166,000 people in the UK died because of COVID. It warrants a completely different approach in how to combat the virus...
 

Makingtrax

Planes, Trains & Social Media Rants
It's not about eradicating Covid, is about saving lives / preventing serious disease.

Billions are spent on cancer treatment and cancer research by the way. Don't have the figures, but would be surprised if it doesn't outstrip Covid spending. It's a significant proportion of UK GDP
A lot of people miss the point on COVID. Not sure about other countries but in the UK it’s about protecting our health service. We have an amazing ‘free at the point of delivery‘ service for everyone. It’s very expensive to run but it doesn’t matter how poor you are, you can get treated.

Covid has put it in danger because the system becomes clogged with thousands of patients. Then no one gets treated for anything . . cancer diagnosis, hip replacements, heart scans . . all go by the board, with all hands to the pump. Corridors are full like some war zone. And the pressure on doctors and nurses is unbearable.

Lockdowns work, but it’s slowly ruining the economy. Vaccines rollout is a much cheaper way to protect the health service and get some return to normality. It’s not about big pharma’s and it’s not about death rates. I’d either make them compulsory or have a vaccine passport system where you can do f all without one. No time to be p u s s y footing about or pandering to conspiracy theorists.
 

Beksl

Sell All The Youngsters
A lot of people miss the point on COVID. Not sure about other countries but in the UK it’s about protecting our health service. We have an amazing ‘free at the point of delivery‘ service for everyone. It’s very expensive to run but it doesn’t matter how poor you are, you can get treated.

Covid has put it in danger because the system becomes clogged with thousands of patients. Then no one gets treated for anything . . cancer diagnosis, hip replacements, heart scans . . all go by the board, with all hands to the pump. Corridors are full like some war zone. And the pressure on doctors and nurses is unbearable.

Lockdowns work, but it’s slowly ruining the economy. Vaccines rollout is a much cheaper way to protect the health service and get some return to normality. It’s not about big pharma’s and it’s not about death rates. I’d either make them compulsory or have a vaccine passport system where you can do f all without one. No time to be p u s s y footing about or pandering to conspiracy theorists.

That's true. The virus is highly infectous so the spread was fast and hospitals were clogged. But look at the data of hospital admissions by age, it's quite telling. There's an obvious demographic that is the most endangered i.e. people over 65.

Why push the vaccine mandate, through severe lockdowns, personal freedom restrictions etc, to all population? Why not target those who are severly effected by the virus, why do we need to jab the kids, the young, everyone?
Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics

covid_hospitalization by age.png
 

Barry

Well-Known Member
That's true. The virus is highly infectous so the spread was fast and hospitals were clogged. But look at the data of hospital admissions by age, it's quite telling. There's an obvious demographic that is the most endangered i.e. people over 65.

Why push the vaccine mandate, through severe lockdowns, personal freedom restrictions etc, to all population? Why not target those who are severly effected by the virus, why do we need to jab the kids, the young, everyone?
Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics

View attachment 4615
The graph to the left that you posted shows the reason - it's partly because the virus spreads in the younger demographics - who then infect older people - Dad's, Mum's, Gran's, health care workers, teachers etc.

The second reason is because 20% of over 65's still haven't been vaccinated, there are still around 5m people who could end up in hospital if infections spike. And that's added to the lower, numbers from the age groups that are less at risk; long Covid cases that need treatment and all the rest of it.

As @Makingtrax says it's about the greater good for society. If we get a positive case in nursery then everyone gets infected and everyone has to isolate for two weeks. That's not much fun with young kids and a life to lead. It's just one example but that sort of thing repeats up and down the country in various guises. If you vaccinate you protect yourself and you protect other people as well, including people who have all sorts of other medical issues that are nothing to do with Covid.
 
Last edited:

Beksl

Sell All The Youngsters
The graph to the left that you posted shows the reason - it's partly because the virus spreads in the younger demographics - who then infect older people - Dad's, Mum's, Gran's, health care workers, teachers etc.

The second reason is because 20% of over 65's still haven't been vaccinated, there are still around 10m people who could end up in hospital if infections spike. And that's added to the lower, numbers from the age groups that are less at risk; long Covid cases that need treatment and all the rest of it.

As @Makingtrax says it's about the greater good for society. If we get a positive case in nursery then everyone gets infected and everyone has to isolate for two weeks. That's not much fun with young kids and a life to lead. It's just one example but that sort of thing repeats up and down the country in various guises. If you vaccinate you protect yourself and you protect other people as well, including people who have all sorts of other medical issues that are nothing to do with Covid.

Like I said, you target the most vulnerable demographics not the whole population. You spread the virus even if you get the jab (latest on that for example: Shedding of Infectious SARS-CoV-2 Despite Vaccination). And natural immunity does wonder in young people.
 

Makingtrax

Planes, Trains & Social Media Rants
That's true. The virus is highly infectous so the spread was fast and hospitals were clogged. But look at the data of hospital admissions by age, it's quite telling. There's an obvious demographic that is the most endangered i.e. people over 65.

Why push the vaccine mandate, through severe lockdowns, personal freedom restrictions etc, to all population? Why not target those who are severly effected by the virus, why do we need to jab the kids, the young, everyone?
Coronavirus (COVID-19) latest insights - Office for National Statistics

View attachment 4615
In young adults and teenagers it’s less clear cut. But side effects are maybe 5 in a million versus long Covid, PIMS, protection against future variants and increased transmission. Covid doesn’t have to kill you to wreck your life. If I was 18, I’d get it for sure. Why not?
 
According to a report released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), unvaccinated individuals are 11 times more likely to die from Covid-19 than those who are fully inoculated, reports NPR’s Vanessa Romo. The study, published in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) on September 10, also found vaccinated individuals were almost five times less likely to get infected with the virus and ten times less likely to end up hospitalized due to complications from the virus.

The study examined cases of hospitalizations and deaths from Covid-19 over four months from April through July 2021. Over 600,0000 Covid-19 cases were evaluated based on vaccination status, CDC director Rochelle Walensky explained during a White House Covid-19 briefing. Between April 4 to June 19, unvaccinated individuals accounted for 95 percent of cases, 93 percent of hospitalizations, and 92 percent of deaths, reports Hilary Brueck and Natalie Musumeci for Insider. When looking at cases between June 20 and July 17 when the Delta variant became mainstream, unvaccinated people still accounted for 82 percent of cases, 86 percent of hospitalizations, and 84 percent of deaths.


Unvaccinated Individuals Are 11 Times More Likely to Die From Covid-19
 

Gooner Zig

AM's Resident Accountant
Trusted ✔️
A lot of people miss the point on COVID. Not sure about other countries but in the UK it’s about protecting our health service. We have an amazing ‘free at the point of delivery‘ service for everyone. It’s very expensive to run but it doesn’t matter how poor you are, you can get treated.

Covid has put it in danger because the system becomes clogged with thousands of patients. Then no one gets treated for anything . . cancer diagnosis, hip replacements, heart scans . . all go by the board, with all hands to the pump. Corridors are full like some war zone. And the pressure on doctors and nurses is unbearable.

Lockdowns work, but it’s slowly ruining the economy. Vaccines rollout is a much cheaper way to protect the health service and get some return to normality. It’s not about big pharma’s and it’s not about death rates. I’d either make them compulsory or have a vaccine passport system where you can do f all without one. No time to be p u s s y footing about or pandering to conspiracy theorists.

That says more about the NHS than it does about COVID. COVID has exposed how chronically under funded health and hospital systems are in the West. COVID is a moderately severe pandemic - global IFR estimated to be around 0.2% (higher in older and more unhealthy populations e.g., UK, USA).

As for lockdowns - I don't know how people can still say that they *work* given the voluminous data we have across the 18 months that show unequivocally that they do not work as intended.
 

Gooner Zig

AM's Resident Accountant
Trusted ✔️
In young adults and teenagers it’s less clear cut. But side effects are maybe 5 in a million versus long Covid, PIMS, protection against future variants and increased transmission. Covid doesn’t have to kill you to wreck your life. If I was 18, I’d get it for sure. Why not?

Long COVID prevalence in children has been wildly overestimated.

 

Gooner Zig

AM's Resident Accountant
Trusted ✔️
The graph to the left that you posted shows the reason - it's partly because the virus spreads in the younger demographics - who then infect older people - Dad's, Mum's, Gran's, health care workers, teachers etc.

The second reason is because 20% of over 65's still haven't been vaccinated, there are still around 5m people who could end up in hospital if infections spike. And that's added to the lower, numbers from the age groups that are less at risk; long Covid cases that need treatment and all the rest of it.

As @Makingtrax says it's about the greater good for society. If we get a positive case in nursery then everyone gets infected and everyone has to isolate for two weeks. That's not much fun with young kids and a life to lead. It's just one example but that sort of thing repeats up and down the country in various guises. If you vaccinate you protect yourself and you protect other people as well, including people who have all sorts of other medical issues that are nothing to do with Covid.

I'm sorry but you *don't* protect other people (by getting vaccinated), you just don't. It's obvious now that the mRNA vaccines do not protect against infection - please take a look at Israel who have the largest case load in the world despite being one of the most heavily vaccinated.

The vaccines are good at protecting against severe outcomes but that's it. There is zero argument to take the vaccine to protect others, it is an individual choice and thus mandates and "passports" are utterly devoid of any epidemiological utility.
 

Gooner Zig

AM's Resident Accountant
Trusted ✔️
In young adults and teenagers it’s less clear cut. But side effects are maybe 5 in a million versus long Covid, PIMS, protection against future variants and increased transmission. Covid doesn’t have to kill you to wreck your life. If I was 18, I’d get it for sure. Why not?

Few reasons:
  • The vaccine is based on a very limited antigen - the spike protein, so you'll likely have to receive multiple vaccines throughout the rest of your life - this is *not* good, the vaccines are not risk free.
  • The risk of myocarditis for young males - this is a significant health signal that was not picked up in the trials, it's no joke and can be serious or fatal.
  • COVID isn't a threat to young people, the immunity conferred by being naturally infected is many times more powerful than the vaccine.
 

Makingtrax

Planes, Trains & Social Media Rants
Few reasons:
  • The vaccine is based on a very limited antigen - the spike protein, so you'll likely have to receive multiple vaccines throughout the rest of your life - this is *not* good, the vaccines are not risk free.
  • The risk of myocarditis for young males - this is a significant health signal that was not picked up in the trials, it's no joke and can be serious or fatal.
  • COVID isn't a threat to young people, the immunity conferred by being naturally infected is many times more powerful than the vaccine.
Most of that post is blatantly untrue. There’s a greater risk of myocarditis in young people after Covid than after a vaccine. The latest figures in the New Scientist from the US study shows 450 cases per million young males compared to just 77 after the vaccine. Complications from myocarditis after the vaccine are extremely rare.

The immune response from having Covid varies significantly from person to person and some people don’t have any detectable response at all. The length of response is not yet fully understood. Studies on the vaccine also show a variable response. But here’s the point, with the vaccine the immune response is delivered in a controlled way, whilst with Covid, whatever age you are you never know how bad your body will react, some young people die, some end up in intensive care and some have their lives wrecked by long Covid even at a very young age. It’s a much bigger gamble. Covid is a bigger threat to young people than the vaccine.
 

Latest posts

Top