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The most underrated players.

ArsenalDNA

Well-Known Member
Surely Mertesacker would be on the list.

You'd probably have to drop down as far as West Brom before you could find a group of fans happy to have him starting for them.

Johnny Evans is pretty underrated too. United's best CB imo. Phil Jones is as overrated as they come though. The guy is the James Milner of defenders.
 

Bigbludfire

Established Member
Sydney Gooner said:
Sergio Agüero.

Rotting at Al-City if you ask me. Think he's a CR7 level talent.

Wouldn't say that but he's definitely rotting in Al-City (that's a new one). He used to be so dynamic back in Spain and now he just looks like a tap in merchant with occasional goals outside the box
 

Song Billong

Well-Known Member
ArsenalDNA said:
Surely Mertesacker would be on the list.

You'd probably have to drop down as far as West Brom before you could find a group of fans happy to have him starting for them.

Johnny Evans is pretty underrated too. United's best CB imo. Phil Jones is as overrated as they come though. The guy is the James Milner of defenders.

A player having that many caps for a team like Germany should be enough of an endorsement. 'But he's slow...'
 

Jury

A-M's drunk uncle
He's definitely vulnerable in certain situations due to his immobility, SB, but his intelligence helps him out. Not letting him be exposed is the key, and giving him the best platform to show his qualities.

As you say, all those caps for Germany can't be a mystery.
 

Rain Dance

Established Member
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Love Per from day 1, even when most people dismiss him after the Norwich disaster. Number 1 underrated player in EPL

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the video from this article on Per
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And you'll see some comments proving how underrate Per is
 

outlaw_member

Established Member
Sydney Gooner said:
jones said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2R28Avtbeg

He doesn't think he's underrated. Decent interview by the way.

"Messi is natural Ronaldo is a trained product"

Haha, I'm sure Messi lazed around in his childhood years chasing after bonita's. Of course, he is just as much a trained product as any footballer out there.
 

jones

Captain Serious
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That's obviously not what he meant. They are obviously both highly disciplined professionals, but Messi's insane level of performance comes from his natural dribbling skills, his incredible vision as well as the physique (as in his exceptionally low gravital center) he was blessed with, all intrinsic aspects of his game, while Ronaldo is known for putting in countless hours training his free kicks and improving his shooting technique.
 

Bigbludfire

Established Member
outlaw_member said:
Sydney Gooner said:
jones said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2R28Avtbeg

He doesn't think he's underrated. Decent interview by the way.

"Messi is natural Ronaldo is a trained product"

Haha, I'm sure Messi lazed around in his childhood years chasing after bonita's. Of course, he is just as much a trained product as any footballer out there.

I don't meant to be pedantic mate but it's "guapa's" not "bonita's". Spelling OCD kicked in :lol:
 

outlaw_member

Established Member
jones said:
That's obviously not what he meant. They are obviously both highly disciplined professionals, but Messi's insane level of performance comes from his natural dribbling skills, his incredible vision as well as the physique (as in his exceptionally low gravital center) he was blessed with, all intrinsic aspects of his game, while Ronaldo is known for putting in countless hours training his free kicks and improving his shooting technique.

There's nothing natural about it, IMO. Some are simply better than others at developing certain skills, hence why two individuals with the exact same education can end up developing at such differing rates, but ultimately everything is learnt through constant practice. Your childhood exposure to football, the playing field, environment and every other factor relevant to your relationship with the round ball, determines many of your traits and strengths after you've grown up.

For example, as a kid I played on very narrow footpaths in London, and one of my strengths today is dribbling in tight spaces. Similarly, Gianluca Vialli grew up playing on a horizontal plane, which is directly responsible for his movements to the outside when he was a player. It's incredible how even the dimensions of your playing field as a child can have such a significant impact on your running patterns. The poor surface of pitches in Brazil is often attributed to the ridiculous level of control that some Brazilian's have.

It shows a lack of understanding of individual development to label one player as a product of practice, and another of natural ability. Of course, you can be more predisposed to learning a skill than someone else, but it all does come through practice and many other factors. The child of two sprinters may be predisposed to becoming a sprinter, than the child of two farmers, but the kid will only become that sprinter if he puts in the required practice.
 

Cudareli

Antonio Valencia stan
outlaw_member said:
There's nothing natural about it, IMO. Some are simply better than others at developing certain skills, hence why two individuals with the exact same education can end up developing at such differing rates, but ultimately everything is learnt through constant practice.

A little bit of a contradiction there? There is nothing ‘natural’ about it, it’s just some are ‘better’ than others at developing certain skills. If 2 players with the same education and training end up at 2 different levels, then to me that would suggest that there is an element of natural ability to it. You refer to your childhood as a footballer, so surely you would have been exposed to this. There are some players who can pick things up twice as quick as other players, they are just born with a gift. No one is saying that they don’t need to work hard, it’s just that other players need to work twice as hard to get anywhere near their level.

outlaw_member said:
The poor surface of pitches in Brazil is often attributed to the ridiculous level of control that some Brazilian's have.

It’s actually most commonly attributed to the large amount of futsal that is played by Brazilian kids growing up. Lots of developing nations have kids growing up on dirt patches, but that doesn’t mean they all end up playing like Brazilians typically do.

outlaw_member said:
It shows a lack of understanding of individual development to label one player as a product of practice, and another of natural ability. Of course, you can be more predisposed to learning a skill than someone else, but it all does come through practice and many other factors. The child of two sprinters may be predisposed to becoming a sprinter, than the child of two farmers, but the kid will only become that sprinter if he puts in the required practice.

Which is basically what Zlatan and then Jones were saying? Messi has a greater level of natural ability then Ronaldo, though that doesn’t mean Messi hasn’t worked hard to get to where he is at, it just means that Ronaldo has had to work even harder to get to a similar level. Everyone who speaks of Ronaldo speaks about his work ethic and the extra work he puts in at the gym and on the park to perform at the level he does. The guy goes above and beyond what most other players do and as a result, has turned himself into a well drilled machine.
 

jones

Captain Serious
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Well said. Don't know how outie manages to think he disagrees with me when he actually agrees with pretty much everything I said.
 

Godwin1

Very well-known
Always thought Claus Jensen was underrated, was quality for Charlton when they were in the premier league, Matt Jansen was quite impressive when he came up with Blackburn as well but I guess he's go down as unfufilled potential.
 

TriniGunner

Well-Known Member
The most underrated player in the Premier League is our own Santi Cazorla. Added to that, Koscielny doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
 

GDeep™

League is very weak
The most underrated player in the Premier League is our own Santi Cazorla. Added to that, Koscielny doesn't get the recognition he deserves.
No chances, he's widely regarded as one of the great magicians in PL football.

Even Kos is getting his plaudits, people who know their defenders have him up there among the best.
 

Hunta

Established Member
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Country: England
No way is Cazorla underrated, you'd think he was the only player in history who uses both feet to kick a ball if you listen to English pundits every week.
 

Tir Na Nog

Changes Opinion Every 5 Minutes

Country: Ireland
Still Per Mertesacker, it's mind-boggling at times. Sure this season he had a poor first few months (not the only) but from December onwards he was his normal self again..... apart from that mistakes against Monaco.
 
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