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They are called Referees and they are TERRIBLE

Do you think refs consciously treat Arsenal differently than other teams?


  • Total voters
    75

The_Playmaker

Established Member
A lot of discourse around time wasting at the moment. Talks of ball in play and then a stop clock. Simon Jordan basically telling the players to get on with it.

I am not sure why it is so difficult for PGMOL. They must be thick.

Rules can only be followed if they are:

1) understood
2) applied correctly
3) applied consistently to everyone

So the new time wasting rule. Doesnt fulfill any of the above, so it will fail. Currently, players don't know how long they have to take a throw, Arsenal were penalised for around 23 seconds but we also then took 44 after that. The next issue is that before the goal Palace were taking the same time as well. So we score and suddenly the referee deems that we could be time wasting because we are winning. However if a team comes to the Emirates and starts time wasting because they play for a draw, will they get punished the same way if they are winning?

The other thing that baffles me is that there are only so many ways you can time waste. It's not rocket science.

Throw ins - walk slowly to get the ball, pretend to throw the ball. Wait for the full back to come so you can hand it to him. Take ages to inch forward and decide where you are throwing it. Players even move forward, ask whether they are in the right position, get told to move back, and move back. That's it. There is no other way you can time waste for a throw.

Corners, and free kicks are usually on the refs whistle, but you can waste time by faking a free kick and starting the kicking process again, or sending someone different to take a corner.

Goalkeepers are the big one. They waste time when the ball is in their hands and they fall to the ground. They waste at goal kicks in spotting the ball.

You then have general ones like kicking the ball away, or standing in front of a keeper as he looks to distribute, substations and walking off slowly, or even complaining to the ref.

That's it.

My solution would be 1. Make sure every club has the same multi ball system so that balls are available at all times quickly. There isn't an excuse to have the method of getting balls to areas in a proper way like in tennis.

Make it so that the person who gets the ball off the ball boy/girl, is the person who has to take a throw in. You can't handover the ball to someone else.

Then you make sure the players are aware that there is a timer as soon as the ball goes out of play and the throw in is given. There should be enough balls for every area of the pitch to be covered. A player needs to get to the ball and take the throw within a specific time. They need to decide the length but I'd say 20 seconds is more than enough.

Players want throw ins. It gives them possession and territory. Winning a throw in can be important. So the punishment for taking too long needs to be severe. Book the player who did the time wasting and then give a free kick to the opposing team. If all of those rules are clear and in place the players only have themselves to blame if they choose not to follow them.

Imagine it's the 90th minute. You spend longer than 20secs taking a throw in your own final third. You get booked. The other team get a free kick. Whip it into the box and score. You are basically an idiot if the rules are outlined at the start of the season.
 

Melquiades

Well-Known Member
A lot of discourse around time wasting at the moment. Talks of ball in play and then a stop clock. Simon Jordan basically telling the players to get on with it.

I am not sure why it is so difficult for PGMOL. They must be thick.

Rules can only be followed if they are:

1) understood
2) applied correctly
3) applied consistently to everyone

So the new time wasting rule. Doesnt fulfill any of the above, so it will fail. Currently, players don't know how long they have to take a throw, Arsenal were penalised for around 23 seconds but we also then took 44 after that. The next issue is that before the goal Palace were taking the same time as well. So we score and suddenly the referee deems that we could be time wasting because we are winning. However if a team comes to the Emirates and starts time wasting because they play for a draw, will they get punished the same way if they are winning?

The other thing that baffles me is that there are only so many ways you can time waste. It's not rocket science.

Throw ins - walk slowly to get the ball, pretend to throw the ball. Wait for the full back to come so you can hand it to him. Take ages to inch forward and decide where you are throwing it. Players even move forward, ask whether they are in the right position, get told to move back, and move back. That's it. There is no other way you can time waste for a throw.

Corners, and free kicks are usually on the refs whistle, but you can waste time by faking a free kick and starting the kicking process again, or sending someone different to take a corner.

Goalkeepers are the big one. They waste time when the ball is in their hands and they fall to the ground. They waste at goal kicks in spotting the ball.

You then have general ones like kicking the ball away, or standing in front of a keeper as he looks to distribute, substations and walking off slowly, or even complaining to the ref.

That's it.

My solution would be 1. Make sure every club has the same multi ball system so that balls are available at all times quickly. There isn't an excuse to have the method of getting balls to areas in a proper way like in tennis.

Make it so that the person who gets the ball off the ball boy/girl, is the person who has to take a throw in. You can't handover the ball to someone else.

Then you make sure the players are aware that there is a timer as soon as the ball goes out of play and the throw in is given. There should be enough balls for every area of the pitch to be covered. A player needs to get to the ball and take the throw within a specific time. They need to decide the length but I'd say 20 seconds is more than enough.

Players want throw ins. It gives them possession and territory. Winning a throw in can be important. So the punishment for taking too long needs to be severe. Book the player who did the time wasting and then give a free kick to the opposing team. If all of those rules are clear and in place the players only have themselves to blame if they choose not to follow them.

Imagine it's the 90th minute. You spend longer than 20secs taking a throw in your own final third. You get booked. The other team get a free kick. Whip it into the box and score. You are basically an idiot if the rules are outlined at the start of the season.

I mostly agree like this but I don’t love the idea of throwing yellows around everywhere.

Someone posted that teams should just lose the throw if it isn’t taken quickly and to me that’s the simplest, most elegant solution. Sideline referee starts timing when a ball goes out and if it isn’t back in play in 15 seconds you lose the throw and it’s now a throw-in for the other team. Problem solved, and there’s no need to ramp things up with yellows that will always be controversial and rarely be enforced properly.
 

The_Playmaker

Established Member
I mostly agree like this but I don’t love the idea of throwing yellows around everywhere.

Someone posted that teams should just lose the throw if it isn’t taken quickly and to me that’s the simplest, most elegant solution. Sideline referee starts timing when a ball goes out and if it isn’t back in play in 15 seconds you lose the throw and it’s now a throw-in for the other team. Problem solved, and there’s no need to ramp things up with yellows that will always be controversial and rarely be enforced properly.
A throw in going to the other team then wastes more time. It's also beneficial to the opposition as you can box them in and win it.
 

A_G

Lost A Bet
Moderator
Former Premier League referee Mike Dean failed to intervene on a major VAR call because he didn’t want to cause his friend Anthony Taylor any ‘grief’, he has revealed.

In a remarkably candid admission, Dean said he made the “pathetic” call at the climax of the 2-2 draw between Tottenham and Chelsea last August.

Cristian Romero pulled Marc Cucurella’s hairseconds before Harry Kane’s 96th minute equaliser, and Dean acknowledged that in the heat of the moment he made a bad choice not to suggest on-field official Taylor consider a sending off offence.

“I missed the stupid hair pull at Chelsea versus Tottenham which was pathetic from my point of view,” Dean told Up Front with Simon Jordan.

“It’s one of them where if I had my time again, what would I do? I’d send Anthony [Taylor] to the screen. I think I knew if I did send him to the screen … he’s cautioned both managers, he’s had a hell of a game, it’s been such a tough game end to end.

“I said to Anthony afterwards: ‘I just didn’t want to send you to the screen after what has gone on in the game’. I didn’t want to send him up because he is a mate as well as a referee and I think I didn’t want to send him up because I didn’t want any more grief than he already had.

“Anthony, he is big and bald and ugly enough to know if he is going to the screen he is going to the screen for a reason. If someone pulls their hair now it’s dead easy. It’s just a brainwave by me, a really bad call by me, and it kind of affected me as VAR going forward.”

Dean’s remarks underline the human frailties which have often undermined the new technology. He was subsequently stood down from the next Premier League games and later decided he did not wish to continue as a video assistant referee.

“Probably I missed a few games because you get taken out of the limelight,” he added.

“That was a major error. If they don’t score from the corner it is not as big an issue. But I knew full well then I would be stood down the week after. I asked to take a bit of time off because it wasn’t for me.

“I used to get in the car on a Friday and was dreading Saturday. I was thinking, ‘I hope nothing happens’. I used to be petrified sitting in the chair.”
 

Batman

Head of Wayne foundation for benching Zinchenko

Country: USA

Player:Saliba
This is what happens when you treat these referees like an endangered species and coddle them. Now they feel they have license to f*ck teams out of points so their mate is spared the scrutiny of doing his damn job. Absolute joke. That he even has the audacity to admit it shows you how badly the FA has screwed up giving these corrupt pricks power.
 

StefanB

Active Member
Mike Dean literally should be faced against a wall and be shot. Man is a goddamn disgrace. No way he would've felt that "grief" if it was against Manchester United.
 

Batman

Head of Wayne foundation for benching Zinchenko

Country: USA

Player:Saliba
The Manchester cabal covering each others' asses.

But holy hell. Like, *literally the entire point* of VAR is to correct on-field errors by officials, but you have a VAR referee who is unwilling to correct on-field errors by officials. What an astonishingly broken system.
I would think there should probably be some legal recourse here. You have a guy basically admitting to willfully not doing his job and it impacting the outcome of a match. Imagine you lost money on this game.
 

CaseUteinberger

Established Member

Country: Sweden
I would think there should probably be some legal recourse here. You have a guy basically admitting to willfully not doing his job and it impacting the outcome of a match. Imagine you lost money on this game.
It says quite something when a referee feels secure and protected enough that he can come out and just freely state that he did not follow the rules. Just so pathetic from the PGMOL to allow this type of behaviour. Well, at least it shows that the PL referees don't always follow the rules, despite knowing better. :mad:
 

CaseUteinberger

Established Member

Country: Sweden
Bro what the ****. I genuinely clicked like three times on the link to see if someone cloned the telegraph website and faked the article.

Hows this not bigger news? Missed the stupid hair pull which was pathetic? Didn't send him to the screen because he's my mate? Anthony is bald and ugly??
There were some discussions about it on TalkSport for what it's worth.

Just ****ing unbelievable if you ask me!
 

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