They are called Referees and they are TERRIBLE

[EmeryCouldnt]

This is why I think it's important for us as football fans to watch and hear out fans of other teams. We experience a lot of bullshit, and we all know that. At the same time though, if we watch other teams we would also notice the amount of stupid decisions being made across the board. Worse even.

I've seen almost every London team in the top four divisions and most during games are convinced they're unfairly treated by refs. I get it, but a bit of perspective, please.

I’ve gotta say, I have not seen a worse decision than Rice’s yellow card for touching a ball thrown at his feet and then having his legs kicked out from under him. I’m not sure people realize how bad that call was. Complete 180 on how it was handled in the past. But I digress….

 

[EmeryCouldnt]

This is why I think it's important for us as football fans to watch and hear out fans of other teams. We experience a lot of bullshit, and we all know that. At the same time though, if we watch other teams we would also notice the amount of stupid decisions being made across the board. Worse even.

I've seen almost every London team in the top four divisions and most during games are convinced they're unfairly treated by refs. I get it, but a bit of perspective, please.

Just join the other fans against PGMOL even if the fans are wrong. **** PGMOL. Down with them!

(And maybe every London team feels that way because how many Londoners are representing them at PGMOL these days?)

 

[Synical]

I’ve gotta say, I have not seen a worse decision than Rice’s yellow card for touching a ball thrown at his feet and then having his legs kicked out from under him. I’m not sure people realize how bad that call was. Complete 180 on how it was handled in the past. But I digress….

That was the most ridiculous call in history. Infuriating that even stupid so-called 'Arsenal' fans talk about the 'little kick away of the ball from Rice". But FFS HE WASN'T EVEN LOOKING AT THE BALL AND WAS JUST WALKING SO DIDN'T KICK IT AWAY INTENTIONALLY AND WHAT ABOUT THE ****ING OPPOSITION PLAYER THAT HACKED HIM DOWN?!"

 

[Synical]

Just join the other fans against PGMOL even if the fans are wrong. **** PGMOL. Down with them!

(And maybe every London team feels that way because how many Londoners are representing them at PGMOL these days?)

Please explain what you mean?

 

[EmeryCouldnt]

Please explain what you mean?

Which part? I’m actually being serious although it maybe doesn’t sound that way. We need to unite with other fans rather than debate each incident and get caught in the details. Overall PGMOL having control of everything is not working and there needs to be changes. Better checks and balances. More accountability for officials rather than punishment for those who speak out.

For the second part I was referencing how he said all London teams feel unfairly treated by refs (and implied that means none of them actually are unfairly treated). Stating there isn’t really a London representative at PGMOL these days.

 

[Synical]

The passage says it is important not to conflate Oliver's c0ck up and the subsequent overturning of that decision with the matter at hand
We're living on Stupid Island.

 

[Deleted member x1214]

That was the most ridiculous call in history. Infuriating that even stupid so-called 'Arsenal' fans talk about the 'little kick away of the ball from Rice". But FFS HE WASN'T EVEN LOOKING AT THE BALL AND WAS JUST WALKING SO DIDN'T KICK IT AWAY INTENTIONALLY AND WHAT ABOUT THE ****ING OPPOSITION PLAYER THAT HACKED HIM DOWN?!"

Not that deep.

 

[HattoriHanzo]

That was the most ridiculous call in history. Infuriating that even stupid so-called 'Arsenal' fans talk about the 'little kick away of the ball from Rice". But FFS HE WASN'T EVEN LOOKING AT THE BALL AND WAS JUST WALKING SO DIDN'T KICK IT AWAY INTENTIONALLY AND WHAT ABOUT THE ****ING OPPOSITION PLAYER THAT HACKED HIM DOWN?!"

Konate did the same thing 2 days ago, he didn't get yellow card.

 

[BBF]

For the second part I was referencing how he said all London teams feel unfairly treated by refs (and implied that means none of them actually are unfairly treated). Stating there isn’t really a London representative at PGMOL these days.

What? Didn't say or imply that at all.

 

[Grandolph]

What furiates me more than these ridiculous red cards, is how many soft advantages are given to our competitors every singel game, and especially to city, liverpool (and man utd still.)
- So easy for them to get a penalty that wont get looked at. So difficult for the opponent to get the same.
- They seem to get at least three or four warnings before they get booked, we get none.
- Clear red card situations overlooked even by VAR, and no later punishments.
With the north dominating both media and PGMOL, I think the answer lies there.

 

[Clrnc]

The passage says it is important not to conflate Oliver's c0ck up and the subsequent overturning of that decision with the matter at hand
We're living on Stupid Island.

The funniest part of the statement is this.

So if a player is sent off for having the audacity to breathe, all his teammates should thank the referees like they are from customer service? "Thank you sir, great decision."

 

[Red London]

These fines are a joke in general, but iirc it’s an independent panel that decides them and not the PGMOL themselves. But they are incredibly trigger happy. Some club gets fined almost every game week (yes, it’s not just Arsenal…)

This was the state of affairs all the way back in November, basically just after the league had started, God knows how much it’s at now

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Forest ones must be linked to Marinakis in some way

 

[Red London]

What furiates me more than these ridiculous red cards, is how many soft advantages are given to our competitors every singel game, and especially to city, liverpool (and man utd still.)
- So easy for them to get a penalty that wont get looked at. So difficult for the opponent to get the same.
- They seem to get at least three or four warnings before they get booked, we get none.
- Clear red card situations overlooked even by VAR, and no later punishments.
With the north dominating both media and PGMOL, I think the answer lies there.

I’ve noticed that whenever we have a small time referee on our game it seems to be more fair. Whenever the big wigs are in charge for a big game we get ****ing screwed. Mostly all the recognisable faces screw us whenever they can.

 

[Red London]

This is why I think it's important for us as football fans to watch and hear out fans of other teams. We experience a lot of bullshit, and we all know that. At the same time though, if we watch other teams we would also notice the amount of stupid decisions being made across the board. Worse even.

I've seen almost every London team in the top four divisions and most during games are convinced they're unfairly treated by refs. I get it, but a bit of perspective, please.

Nope. We have been more unfairly treated by refereeing. This season has been a disgrace. I’m usually someone who believes the truth is usually in the middle but not with this.

Not talking about these fines etc I mean all the crazy red cards. When something happens once or twice perspective is needed. When it happens 3-4 times it gets very fishy. There’s bias at play.

 

[BBF]

Nope. We have been more unfairly treated by refereeing. This season has been a disgrace. I’m usually someone who believes the truth is usually in the middle but not with this.

Not talking about these fines etc I mean all the crazy red cards. When something happens once or twice perspective is needed. When it happens 3-4 times it gets very fishy. There’s bias at play.

[Citation needed]

 

[db10_therza]

Forest ones must be linked to Marinakis in some way

They hate them ever since they called out the refs with Mike Clattenburg on their payroll. Think they got fined like 2mil for that.

 

[Red London]

They hate them ever since they called out the refs with Mike Clattenburg on their payroll. Think they got fined like 2mil for that.

What a gangster.

 

[Red London]

[Citation needed]

The ability to see is all that’s needed.

The world doesn’t play out in binary code. Conscious and unconscious bias is a thing which happens but is difficult to prove with citations or data.

We have received petty red cards for kicking the ball away twice, 1 which occurred tens of milliseconds after the whistle and another which was just ludicrous and doesn’t require any explanation (rice). We also got red carded for stopping a dangerous attack at the edge of the opposition penalty area you genuinely can’t make it up.

Please show me red cards for those type of scenarios. And then show me a team who have had that many odd and unique red cards with that frequency in about 20 games of a PL season. If you somehow do, I will raise you the Tomiyasu Red vs palace and Martinelli Red vs wolves which are just as ludicrous and never done.

The qualitative data is clear that we have received a high frequency of extremely abnormal red cards.

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

For me the kicking away the ball stuff was bad luck with maybe a bit of bias.

It was a new initiative and you know there are some refs in this league who love the attention they get for being on top of the new rules and making themselves the centre of attention and then they can always turn around and do the ''Ackshully I was reffing to the letter of the law'' when they get called out. They don't understand football in real terms and don't care to either.

Problem is with many of these new initiatives they go out the window after a month or two when everyone realises they were over enforced and pretty stupid to begin with. So you end up with no consistency and you just have to hope you're the not the ones made an example of in the first few months of the season, which unfortunately we were.

I do think the 'Dark arts' stuff over the past couple of seasons has probably subconsciously biased at least a few refs against us too.

 

[Red London]

For me the kicking away the ball stuff was bad luck with maybe a bit of bias.

It was a new initiative and you know there are some refs in this league who love the attention they get for being on top of the new rules and making themselves the centre of attention and then they can always turn around and do the ''Ackshully I was reffing to the letter of the law'' when they get called out. They don't understand football in real terms and don't care to either.

Problem is with many of these new initiatives they go out the window after a month or two when everyone realises they were over enforced and pretty stupid to begin with. So you end up with no consistency and you just have to hope you're the not the ones made an example of in the first few months of the season, which unfortunately we were.

I do think the 'Dark arts' stuff over the past couple of seasons has probably subconsciously biased at least a few refs against us too.

The thing is, the last time they brought out a rule they tried to enforce for a month or two, we were *again* the only team who properly suffered from it.

It was the Tomiyasu red card vs Palace. The PGMOL were trying to crack down on time wasting on throw ins or something similar. And funnily enough it was a mistake as well as the person who wasted a bulk of the time was Kai Havertz who was not on a yellow, rather than Tomiyasu who subsequently got sent off.

I find it really interesting how we are always on the receiving ends off these decisions. You would think the whole ‘large club getting away with decisions’ thing would apply but it’s the opposite, it’s like we have a massive target on our back. For me it’s a large indication of conscious or unconscious bias.