They are called Referees and they are TERRIBLE

[Makingtrax]

Sucking off the refs is embarrassing. I like you, but this is cringe.

Love you too bro. But science is science.

 

[Oxeki]

The crux of my argument is that we've been **** this season, so any referee error will look worse for us.

I even listed a couple of pages back some decisions that have gone against other clubs. Even fvcking wolves was shafted more than us last season.

 

[Roz]

Mate, this is confirmation bias. The number of red cards given out are very small. In fact 22/23 season was the lowest on record. We don’t even feature in the top few that year. You’re seeing things that aren’t there.

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I said most seasons. Not all seasons.

The fact remains we are top this season for some of the most contentious reds ever seen in the PL. You seem reluctant to speak about the instances I’ve mentioned.

I get that you have a different opinion but come on, you’re homing in on any minor discrepancies you can find whilst ignoring the biggest indicators that we are treated differently than most teams.

 

[Roz]

The crust of my argument is that we've been **** this season, so any referee error will look worse for us.

I even listed a couple of pages back some decisions that have gone against other clubs. Even fvcking wolves was shafted more than us last season.

How can a team thats 2nd in the league have been **** all season? Same team that is through to the next round of the champions league? If we hadn’t had some of the outrageous reds we would probably be level on points with Liverpool? Yes or no?

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

Despite all the assistance they still mess up and it just highlights the bias more than ever now? Yeah I get that.

I don't feel as strongly about what I see today compared to Eduardo/Reyes/Ramsey etc. Social media and fan channels have just amplified every minor grievance you can see the same people getting wound up for weeks on end because of it.

Yeah exactly. Plus I find since I've been on A-M I tend to fixate on certain (negative) things more. Maybe it's a coincidence but I think not

Back in the day I'd watch the match live if it were on TV or catch MOTD, get annoyed for a few hours then forget about the awful decisions.

For me the link between the poor decisions is on the media and pundits at core. They set the narrative back then that we were soft and didn't like the physical side, and now they've done it again with the dark arts stuff. I really think this stuff makes at least certain refs treat us a bit differently subconsciously.

 

[Roz]

Wonder what Wenger would’ve said had he been in charge this season?

 

[BBF]

How can it be more forgivable when it was far far worse?

I don't get that because we literally cry over spilt milk in the current day, nearly every wayward result was thoroughly earned by these lot.

All it took to manipulate refs back in the day was for some old Scottish bloke to offer a bit of wine and a chinwag after games. They're just dense, and I have even more respect for Arsène as a person because he didn't stoop to that level.

 

[Makingtrax]

I said most seasons. Not all seasons.

The fact remains we are top this season for some of the most contentious reds ever seen in the PL. You seem reluctant to speak about the instances I’ve mentioned.

I get that you have a different opinion but come on, you’re homing in on any minor discrepancies you can find whilst ignoring the biggest indicators that we are treated differently than most teams.

Contentious reds are part of refereeing in general. If you watch a review show there’s one or two nearly every week. It’s because refereeing is very difficult and they make mistakes, not because of bias.

 

[Roz]

Contentious reds are part of refereeing in general. If you watch a review show there’s one or two nearly every week. It’s because refereeing is very difficult and they make mistakes, not because of bias.

Going to have to agree to disagree here matey, sad to see a disciple of Wenger not call it out for what it is, a disgrace!

 

[Makingtrax]

All it took to manipulate refs back in the day was for some old Scottish bloke to offer a bit of wine and a chinwag after games. They're just dense, and I have even more respect for Arsène as a person because he didn't stoop to that level.

With the multitude of cameras now, goal line technology, offside lines, extra VAR refs helping out, the whole adjudication system is orders of magnitude better than it was in those days. Every ref now knows that every decision will be scrutinised in minute detail.

The idea that they’d risk all that scrutiny for prejudice against a certain team is beyond laughable.

 

[Makingtrax]

Going to have to agree to disagree here matey, sad to see a disciple of Wenger not call it out for what it is, a disgrace!

OK bro, fair enough. I’ve done my best.

 

[Roz]

With the multitude of cameras now, goal line technology, offside lines, extra VAR refs helping out, the whole adjudication system is orders of magnitude better than it was in those days. Every ref now knows that every decision will be scrutinised in minute detail.

The idea that they’d risk all that scrutiny for prejudice against a certain team is beyond laughable.

 

[Makingtrax]

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Was he sacked for bias in his decision making or images of him sniffing coke?

 

[Roz]

Was he sacked for bias in his decision making or images of him sniffing coke?

Its PGMOL so who knows ?

He did express his dislike for Liverpool & Klopp in particular. Just pointing that out in response to your earlier comment.

 

[Oxeki]

How can a team thats 2nd in the league have been **** all season? Same team that is through to the next round of the champions league? If we hadn’t had some of the outrageous reds we would probably be level on points with Liverpool? Yes or no?

No we wouldn't be top because of league. That's ridiculous
We've had four red cards this season. 2 of them we can't complain too much about. But two of those redcards impacted our results. Which made us drop 4 points. Which means we'd still be 3 points behind Liverpool. Even 3 points behind Liverpool at this stage, I'd still give Liverpool the edge because of our injuries.

 

[Roz]

No we wouldn't be top because of league. That's ridiculous
We've had four red cards this season. 2 of them we can't complain too much about. But two of those redcards impacted our results. Which made us drop 4 points. Which means we'd still be 3 points behind Liverpool. Even 3 points behind Liverpool at this stage, I'd still give Liverpool the edge because of our injuries.

Its not ridiculous though. People don’t look at the knock on affects of a red card enough. Points lost, fatigue (having to play multiple games a man down IN THE FIRST HALF), match bans all come into play. Think its not unreasonable to suggest we would indirectly be at least level with Liverpool.

Out of interest which Red cards do you think we can have no complaints over? The only one that springs to mind is the Saliba one v Bournemouth (in my eyes a 50/50 but I can give you the benefit of the doubt on that one)

 

[Red London]

Last season wolves got more bad calls than us. Did that mean the ref had an agenda against wolves too?

Wolves are actually the only other team which I would have put up there with us in decisions. And yet their player sexually assaulted Jesus and strangled Havertz like he has some sort of BDSM fantasy and got away with it. Then we got the worst red card of all time vs them. So there’s levels to this game.

 

[Red London]

Of course there's a conspiracy to stop arsenal from winning the league. Funny no one said that 15 years ago, when pundits were literally saying on tv to kick arsenal players and a few of our players were maimed too. But you still had wenger out banners and placards.

So no, I'll keep reminding you guys that the ref stuff are a distraction from the main reason we've been ****. Blaming the ref is so pathetic. I'd even have more respect for those blaming injuries tbh. Blaming the ref is as stupid as it gets.

You seem to have some sort of incredible view of what all Arsenal fans thought 15 years ago.

How do you collect all the sentiments and opinions of millions of fans over a 15 year period, while eloquently grouping them all into 1 category? This is mastery ladies and gentleman.

 

[Oxeki]

You seem to have some sort of incredible view of what all Arsenal fans thought 15 years ago.

How do you collect all the sentiments and opinions of millions of fans over a 15 year period, while eloquently grouping them all into 1 category? This is mastery ladies and gentleman.

It's like you were living under a rock when other teams were kicking our players and maiming them and our own fans were telling Wenger we were too soft plus all the wenger out banners lol.

 

[Oxeki]

Its not ridiculous though. People don’t look at the knock on affects of a red card enough. Points lost, fatigue (having to play multiple games a man down IN THE FIRST HALF), match bans all come into play. Think its not unreasonable to suggest we would indirectly be at least level with Liverpool.

Out of interest which Red cards do you think we can have no complaints over? The only one that springs to mind is the Saliba one v Bournemouth (in my eyes a 50/50 but I can give you the benefit of the doubt on that one)

The Rice one was a dumb yellow card when look back.