They are called Referees and they are TERRIBLE

[Red London]

Roz is not the only one with that opinion. @Synical have been proselytising people on that belief for a minute now.

Yep I understand that some people are saying different things to me, but if I am making particular points it doesn’t make sense to just group me with other people. Makes you come off as you are scrambling and have no true response to the point I am raising.

 

[Makingtrax]

This thread needs nuking so bad.

I’m not on this whole conspiracy nonsense and think the refs are just ****, but at the same time anyone who thinks we haven’t been hard done by this season (just by chance or maybe unconscious bias) is actually insane.

Us simply not being good enough for large parts of this season is why we’re not top of the league but ref decisions haven’t helped.

Let’s just try tone it down a notch? @Oxeki dont make me come for you next…

That’s a bit harsh bro. Me and @Roz have had a good discussion and swapped stats like real gents. We’ve agreed to disagree too. He’s my new buddy!

 

[Blood on the Tracks]

And to be fair last season we had an abnormally strong season injuries wise. So things did go our way then.

The frustrating thing for us is the year Man City nose dive is the one we're struggling a bit with some bad fortune.

If we don't win it this season it will feel like one that has slipped through our fingers.

 

[Roz]

The PGMOL needs reforming. But they're not conspiring to stop us from winning the titles. We were ****.

This is pathetic, you're saying we'd have won the league last season and two seasons ago if the ref hadn't ****ed us. That's enough to discredit your argument

That's an unhinged take.

All up for discussion but for you to be throwing our “pathetic” & “unhinged” is ludicrous when you label us as being **** when we are quite clearly one of the best sides in Europe. Carry on with your bizarre agenda though

 

[Jamie99]

lol what? I have said for years that there has been a problem between the PGMOL and Arsenal stretching back to the early Wenger days where we were a successful southern + foreign team shaking things up. I’ve wanted the PGMOL to be broken down to a dust for years now.

You may not see it, but your agenda stinks from a mile away mate. Just grouping everyone on the other side of the debate to suit your narrative. Underneath this veil of agenda, there seems to be nothing. As you keep defaulting to the exact same point.

That’s why I said you’ve been marinaded like a Nandos chicken thigh on this chat.

It is that part where he says we fans were telling Wenger to man up instead of complaining that gets me confused.

A lot of us here have followed Arsenal for more than 2 decades and have seen first hand, and complained about the terrible officiating from Refs in the PL.

The Wenger (his era) he's using as a reference was consistent about his thoughts on the referees and how bad they were/are. If I recall correctly he called Anthony Taylor "a disgrace to his institution". He also said the refs were protected like lions in the zoo. This is exactly what PGMOL have been and still seem to be doing, like a boys club.

How can you fire a Ref turn VAR (Lee Mason) for a very costly mistake he made as a result of his incompetence and then re-employed him as a referee trainer. That's an absurdity! What's he going to impart on the other refs?
Well class, today is VAR lesion 101: Timeliness in decision making.
To make a timely call so as not to delay the game, just forget to draw the lines and that should do it. Questions?

I mean what stops PGMOL from soliciting the services of world renowned retired referee Pierluigi Collina or any of the refs he personally trained to come over and train the refs in the PL?

Supposed best league in the world with some of the worst refs. In short their heralded best Ref in the league Michael Oliver is one of the worst in the world. The irony!

 

[jake]

The PGMOL needs reforming. But they're not conspiring to stop us from winning the titles. We were ****.

This is pathetic, you're saying we'd have won the league last season and two seasons ago if the ref hadn't ****ed us. That's enough to discredit your argument

That's an unhinged take.

2 seasons ago howard webb explained 7 (2 +5) points of misstakes inbeetween city and arsenal and their threeshold for misstakes was high. City won by 5 you do the math.

Last season it was 2 points and you don’t need to go longer then the newcastle game to count for that, but there were more…

This season Arsenal has the most red in the league most very controversial and Liverpool most penalties the lionpart match winning and a few controversial.

The ”top” referees Oliver and Tayler continuous to do many misstakes and get protected by Webb. Yea the bias is real and it cost us more then other ”top” teams. In your surreal world how much better do we need to be then other teams for it to be ok that we win the league?

 

[db10_therza]

2 seasons ago howard webb explained 7 (2 +5) points of misstakes inbeetween city and arsenal and their threeshold for misstakes was high. City won by 5 you do the math.

Last season it was 2 points and you don’t need to go longer then the newcastle game to count for that, but there were more…

This season Arsenal has the most red in the league most very controversial and Liverpool most penalties the lionpart match winning and a few controversial.

The ”top” referees Oliver and Tayler continuous to do many misstakes and get protected by Webb. Yea the bias is real and it cost us more then other ”top” teams. In your surreal world how much better do we need to be then other teams for it to be ok that we win the league?

Last season we also had decisions go in our favour. Remember the Ødegaard handball?

 

[jake]

Last season we also had decisions go in our favour. Remember the Ødegaard handball?

In the same game taa boundled someone over in the penalty area one got media cover. I wonder why….

 

[Batman]

Last season we also had decisions go in our favour. Remember the Ødegaard handball?

To be fair, on balance it was correct not to call that because Liverpool either deliberately or through gross negligence left the pitch in a disgusting state.

Liverpool pay the price for awful Anfield pitch against Arsenal

Read this news on OneFootball.

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[Roz]

Last season we also had decisions go in our favour. Remember the Ødegaard handball?

That is the only one as far as I can remember. Any more?

 

[db10_therza]

That is the only one as far as I can remember. Any more?

I’m sure there are, the whole point here is that we as fans are biased to remember the things that go against us.

No one remembers the 9 out of 10 buses that came on time. You remember the 1 that ****ed you over when you had a big morning meeting.

 

[Makingtrax]

I’m sure there are, the whole point here is that we as fans are biased to remember the things that go against us.

No one remembers the 9 out of 10 buses that came on time. You remember the 1 that ****ed you over when you had a big morning meeting.

You reframed the whole buttered toast phenomenon into transport speak. Impressive.

 

[jake]

I’m sure there are, the whole point here is that we as fans are biased to remember the things that go against us.

No one remembers the 9 out of 10 buses that came on time. You remember the 1 that ****ed you over when you had a big morning meeting.

The hole points is that now it is not only arsenal fans that think we got ****ed over decisions. I’ve seen villa pundits palace pundits and united pundits that think we got a lot of strange decisions. And when stats don’t add up i is usually something fishy.

 

[Roz]

I’m sure there are, the whole point here is that we as fans are biased to remember the things that go against us.

No one remembers the 9 out of 10 buses that came on time. You remember the 1 that ****ed you over when you had a big morning meeting.

Nah, reckon I’d remember. It’s such a rarity we have it happen to us after all.

 

[db10_therza]

The hole points is that now it is not only arsenal fans that think we got ****ed over decisions. I’ve seen villa pundits palace pundits and united pundits that think we got a lot of strange decisions. And when stats don’t add up i is usually something fishy.

I don’t disagree that THIS SEASON we’ve got more decisions against us than for us. I’ve been clear on this, I just don’t think it’s a conspiracy is all. I was talking about last season.

Statistically I believe one team will always get ****ed every season. This year that team is us.

If you assume that every league game there is at least one “big” decision that can go either way, then at the end of the season after 38 games there is a ~7% chance that you get 10 more called against you than in your favour (24 to 14). That is 1 in 14, ie across the 20 teams competing in the league you are ODDS ON to have at least one team that gets absolutely shat on by the refs but purely out of chance.

Has it (bad decisions) been the biggest factor in us being 2nd? No - it sits behind (a) injuries and (b) being too cautious in the first half of the season imo.

 

[Synical]

The hole points is that now it is not only arsenal fans that think we got ****ed over decisions. I’ve seen villa pundits palace pundits and united pundits that think we got a lot of strange decisions. And when stats don’t add up i is usually something fishy.

Exactly.

And United commentators talking a lot about how biased the media is against us, such as Goldbridge and Terry Flews

 

[EmeryCouldnt]

Last season we also had decisions go in our favour. Remember the Ødegaard handball?

If this damn call is mentioned one more time in this thread…. It’s been addressed a million times now. That is the one call where people are like “see, look, they’re not biased”. Missing a call is different than applying the rules completely different then never applying that way again. It’s different than suddenly just having a new application of a rule never seen again (like 2 yellows for Martinelli in the same run of play). Missing a call vs incorrectly sending a player off in the first half are hugely different. That Ødegaard handball and incorrectly called corner in our favor vs Tottenham have been brought up a nauseating amount in this thread. Yes, the refs are biased and they also are incompetent. Thus PGMOL needs reform. Instead of this “it evens out” bullshit, it doesn’t even out… that’s not how the world works. It would work if they weren’t biased and incompetent, but they are, and it’s only getting worse.

 

[Synical]

If this damn call is mentioned one more time in this thread…. It’s been addressed a million times now. That is the one call where people are like “see, look, they’re not biased”. Missing a call is different than applying the rules completely different then never applying that way again. It’s different than suddenly just having a new application of a rule never seen again (like 2 yellows for Martinelli in the same run of play). Missing a call vs incorrectly sending a player off in the first half are hugely different. That Ødegaard handball and incorrectly called corner in our favor vs Tottenham have been brought up a nauseating amount in this thread. Yes, the refs are biased and they also are incompetent. Thus PGMOL needs reform. Instead of this “it evens out” bullshit, it doesn’t even out… that’s not how the world works. It would work if they weren’t biased and incompetent, but they are, and it’s only getting worse.

And Tottenham were also incorrectly given a corner against us in that very same game, so I have no idea why people keep bringing that up

 

[db10_therza]

If this damn call is mentioned one more time in this thread…. It’s been addressed a million times now. That is the one call where people are like “see, look, they’re not biased”. Missing a call is different than applying the rules completely different then never applying that way again. It’s different than suddenly just having a new application of a rule never seen again (like 2 yellows for Martinelli in the same run of play). Missing a call vs incorrectly sending a player off in the first half are hugely different. That Ødegaard handball and incorrectly called corner in our favor vs Tottenham have been brought up a nauseating amount in this thread. Yes, the refs are biased and they also are incompetent. Thus PGMOL needs reform. Instead of this “it evens out” bullshit, it doesn’t even out… that’s not how the world works. It would work if they weren’t biased and incompetent, but they are, and it’s only getting worse.

What the hell are you talking about, have you even read my posts here or just venting without context like a moron?

And for the record, no, even if they were competent and unbiased, which I don't think they are, things wouldn't just "even out". Mean reversion isn't actually a thing, thinking calls will even out is just repackaged gamblers fallacy.

In fact this entire thread is just a treasure trove of cognitive biases and I cba anymore y'all have fun.

 

[jake]

And for the record, no, even if they were competent and unbiased, which I don't think they are, things wouldn't just "even out". Mean reversion isn't actually a thing, thinking calls will even out is just repackaged gamblers fallacy.

This is just plain wrong if the statistics data is big enough things going to even out if it is just incompetence. Not so much of it is biased.