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They are called Referees

Are you for VAR or not?


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BaZZe

Always Blaming Refs

Country: Sweden
These VAR convos on Sky are interesting, if they cared about the fans they’d show this during the game itself.
Exactly sucks that I can't see the Ben White v. Leicester or Newcastle one though because of region lock.
 
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CaseUteinberger

Established Member

Country: Sweden
Same happening in PL with most refs born in Manchester and north England having a massive bias against us.
I find those who doubt the regional bias of PL referees somewhat naive. These are people who have family and friends who live, work etc. in the region. Who support the local clubs. All that pressure on them should they go against say a Liverpool, a Manchester club is huge. There is a price to pay on a personal level. They can **** over Arsenal as much as they want. Doubt any one of them will get any personal grief for that. There might be professional issues as we saw this year, but other than that it's happy days. Go against one of the big local clubs and you probably have some issues.
 

NZgunner

Active Member

Country: New Zealand
I've seen some excellent long term statistical analysis that relates to regional refereeing bias across a number of the top European leagues, and it definitely exists

But in the EPL it is exacerbated by the incredibly biased distribution of the referees themselves - how the **** did this even happen?
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lomekian

Essays are my thing
I've seen some excellent long term statistical analysis that relates to regional refereeing bias across a number of the top European leagues, and it definitely exists

But in the EPL it is exacerbated by the incredibly biased distribution of the referees themselves - how the **** did this even happen?
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Mike Riley and one or two others, all based in or near Manchester, responsible for deciding.
 

lomekian

Essays are my thing
A reminder to those Arsenal fans laying into the team right now. While we may have capitulated in the last two matches, the PGMOL have officially apologised for game changing decisions in 2 different matches, and refs have incorrectly denied Arsenal at least 5 clear penalties.

While City are worthy champions and set extraordinary standards, and Arsenal ran out of steam, with more competent officiating (i'm only including the universally agreed errors here), Arsenal would have gone to Anfield with a 15 point lead. Hard to imagine the same pressure then.
 

drippin

Obsessed with "Mature Trusted Members"

Country: Finland
I'm putting this here for history books, but against Brighton the 0-1 goal Kiwior's foot/shoe was stomped from behind in a corner kick, and the player who made the foul, scored. If I remember correctly.

It was a clear foul resulting in a goal, but VAR was fine with it. Basic stuff.

It's a bit worrying when you don't even get fuming much after these kind of atrocities, and that's likely what they want.
 

Bucephalus

Active Member
I'm putting this here for history books, but against Brighton the 0-1 goal Kiwior's foot/shoe was stomped from behind in a corner kick, and the player who made the foul, scored. If I remember correctly.

It was a clear foul resulting in a goal, but VAR was fine with it. Basic stuff.

It's a bit worrying when you don't even get fuming much after these kind of atrocities, and that's likely what they want.
Did a little refereeing for pocket money back in the day. You don't see everything, and sometimes you have to extrapolate what likely happened. If a 6'2" CB goes down in a heap allowing a 5'6" midfielder a free header in the six yard box, it's either because there was a foul I didn't see, or because said CB just went down with a freak ruptured achilles and is about to be stretchered off. Kiwior did not get stretchered off.
 

drippin

Obsessed with "Mature Trusted Members"

Country: Finland
Did a little refereeing for pocket money back in the day. You don't see everything, and sometimes you have to extrapolate what likely happened. If a 6'2" CB goes down in a heap allowing a 5'6" midfielder a free header in the six yard box, it's either because there was a foul I didn't see, or because said CB just went down with a freak ruptured achilles and is about to be stretchered off. Kiwior did not get stretchered off.
I don't have the time to search for the foul now, or care that much after finishing 2nd after so many referee mistakes. And after injuries, which resulted in bad performances.

But I remember it very clearly, that it was a clear stomp on the back of his shoe, and the player who did it, scored because Kiwior was down after the foul on the back of his foot.

Your argument is ridiculous. It's a straw man to claim that Kiwior would need to be stretched off for it to be a foul. That's not what is required, everyone who knows football, knows this.
 

14Henry

Looking for receipts 👀
I don't have the time to search for the foul now, or care that much after finishing 2nd after so many referee mistakes. And after injuries, which resulted in bad performances.

But I remember it very clearly, that it was a clear stomp on the back of his shoe, and the player who did it, scored because Kiwior was down after the foul on the back of his foot.

Your argument is ridiculous. It's a straw man to claim that Kiwior would need to be stretched off for it to be a foul. That's not what is required, everyone who knows football, knows this.
Was there a refereeing mistake in our home loss to City or our away defeat?
 

drippin

Obsessed with "Mature Trusted Members"

Country: Finland
Selective memory it seems
What do you mean? I just came to mention that clear mistake from VAR.

It was an important miss. Still City deserved their title.

They are the best team in the world this season in my opinion, no matter how the UCL final goes.
 

Bucephalus

Active Member
I don't have the time to search for the foul now, or care that much after finishing 2nd after so many referee mistakes. And after injuries, which resulted in bad performances.

But I remember it very clearly, that it was a clear stomp on the back of his shoe, and the player who did it, scored because Kiwior was down after the foul on the back of his foot.

Your argument is ridiculous. It's a straw man to claim that Kiwior would need to be stretched off for it to be a foul. That's not what is required, everyone who knows football, knows this.
Perhaps I was unclear. Tone is very difficult on message boards sometimes. I 100% agree with you. I never got the replay that conclusively showed it, but I am convinced that Kiwior was fouled. The only explanations for how someone would go down like that, and at that time, are a stamp, or a rare and unlikely non-contact catastrophic injury. As we know it wasn't the latter, it had to be a stamp. I'm on team it-was-a-foul-and-referee-should-have-puzzled-it-out, even if he can be excused for not catching it immediately, not team referee made the right call.
 

drippin

Obsessed with "Mature Trusted Members"

Country: Finland
Perhaps I was unclear. Tone is very difficult on message boards sometimes. I 100% agree with you. I never got the replay that conclusively showed it, but I am convinced that Kiwior was fouled. The only explanations for how someone would go down like that, and at that time, are a stamp, or a rare and unlikely non-contact catastrophic injury. As we know it wasn't the latter, it had to be a stamp. I'm on team it-was-a-foul-and-referee-should-have-puzzled-it-out, not referee made the right call.
Ah, it was sarcasm?

I remember it very well and saw the closer view from Viaplay in Finland. That's why I came here to mention it, although it was some time ago, and couldn't bother even look if others have mentioned it already.

The refs succeeded in that I don't always bother to come here to complain. Their incompetence is on another level. But next season I very likely will again. 😁

The player stepped on the back of Kiwior's foot in the corner, and then scored when Kiwior was lying on the ground. I even think I took a screenshot of it, but can't bother now to try to find it. I watched it a couple of times, because it was so ridiculous that VAR didn't call it. But I'm happy if someone corrects my memory.

It's not easy to see here, but he steps on the back of Kiwior's foot.

It was a very important 0-1 lead goal.

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Bucephalus

Active Member
Ah, it was sarcasm?

I remember it very well and saw the closer view from Viaplay in Finland. That's why I came here to mention it, although it was some time ago, and couldn't bother even look if others have mentioned it already.

The refs succeeded in that I don't always bother to come here to complain. Their incompetence is on another level. But next season I very likely will again. 😁

The player stepped on the back of Kiwior's foot in the corner, and then scored when Kiwior was lying on the ground. I even think I took a screenshot off it, but can't bother now to try to find it. I watched it a couple of times, because it was so ridiculous that VAR didn't call it. But I'm happy if someone corrects my memory.
Watched in America. Lots of replays, nothing conclusive. I was only speaking to how I understand how the on-field referee could have missed it, but should have figured out what happened anyway.

Love my fellow Arsenal fans, love a good argument about the club. Sorry if my meaning didn't properly come through.
 

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