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More like league 4 the guy ain't cut for this job. Sunday league is where he should be. At least would get a few punches thrown at him.
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They are called Referees
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These kind of shows for the camera seem rather pointless. Do they not just pretty much agree with the onfield decision all the time?
I'm not gonna defend refs but I will say they are human & make mistakes.
Bad/contentious decisions have always been a part of football.
I have to say pretty much every decision is over scrutinized nowadays. Coverage on both mainstream media & social platforms is insane.
I do however have a problem with Oliver & the like getting paid big money to ref games in foreign lands by people who own clubs in the Prem.
Beany
ITK
Country: England
They create the pretence of fairness and accountability where and in fact none exists - because they mostly and save for the most obvious errors, just back up the on field decision. They certainly won’t ever accept that one club (say Arsenal) if being targeted or that another (say City) gets a consistently easy ride.
But I agree that the fact refs can be paid fat wads by 115 or similar owners to referee games abroad, on hyper luxury freebie trips, to be nothing short of astonishing.
EmeryCouldnt
Established Member
There absolutely should be criticism for mistakes and especially bias coupled with accepting money from a club owners other business entity.
If I make a mistake at work, id be criticized. Why should it be any different? Especially when a ref goes out of their way to make that mistake? It’s one thing to miss a call. It’s another to make a despicable judgment when you are paid for your judgment.
Rain Dance
Established Member
Just a reminder about Calciopoli for the young ones, this happened 18 years ago
Calciopoli was a sports scandal in Italy's top professional association football league Serie A and to a lesser extent Serie B. Involving various clubs and numerous executives, both from the same clubs and from the main Italian football bodies (Italian Referee Association (AIA), FIGC, and LNP), as well as some referees and referee assistants, the scandal was uncovered in May 2006, when a number of telephone tappings showed relations between clubs' executives and referee organizations during the football seasons of 2004–05 and 2005–06, being accused of selecting favourable referees.
The thing is, the Italians actually keep an eye on their referees and have a strict regulation about organized crime (yes, it's not as fancy as drugs smuggling but match fixing is related to organized crime)
England, well, I'll let you guys who are English to discuss English law
Calciopoli was a sports scandal in Italy's top professional association football league Serie A and to a lesser extent Serie B. Involving various clubs and numerous executives, both from the same clubs and from the main Italian football bodies (Italian Referee Association (AIA), FIGC, and LNP), as well as some referees and referee assistants, the scandal was uncovered in May 2006, when a number of telephone tappings showed relations between clubs' executives and referee organizations during the football seasons of 2004–05 and 2005–06, being accused of selecting favourable referees.
The thing is, the Italians actually keep an eye on their referees and have a strict regulation about organized crime (yes, it's not as fancy as drugs smuggling but match fixing is related to organized crime)
England, well, I'll let you guys who are English to discuss English law
I think the whole system is broken and has been for a long time.
Its not only referees, but the FA and PGMOL also.
Wheter it is on-field decisions or retrospective bans, the media attention has way too much influence..
We see 3-4 unpunished legbreaking tackles every week. The referee miss it, and that is understandable some times, but why tf do we have VAR and retrospective bans if we are not going to use it in situations like this? As long as the media doesnt highlight the situations, its like it never happend. Why dont they analyze matches for themselves?
The same week another ref will give a harsh red card for something silly, and the player will be out for 3 matches. No chance to appeal because "VAR looked at it".
Its not only referees, but the FA and PGMOL also.
Wheter it is on-field decisions or retrospective bans, the media attention has way too much influence..
We see 3-4 unpunished legbreaking tackles every week. The referee miss it, and that is understandable some times, but why tf do we have VAR and retrospective bans if we are not going to use it in situations like this? As long as the media doesnt highlight the situations, its like it never happend. Why dont they analyze matches for themselves?
The same week another ref will give a harsh red card for something silly, and the player will be out for 3 matches. No chance to appeal because "VAR looked at it".
Gooner Zig
AM's Resident Accountant
Country: Canada
Yeah it's really weird - PGMOL seems to not care so much about violent conduct anymore. How many numerous examples of dangerous tackles have we seen not been punished enough or even unpunished? It's okay to forearm smash, jump two footed into tackles like a hawk (Martinez), choke (Mosquerra on Havertz) but if you dare toe poke the ball away young man you're off!!!
This is the most unbiased walkthrough a have seen, but even there they lean to the referee decision most commonly.
Should Bruno Fernandes' red vs. Sp**s have been overturned?
The kovacic tackle you see there (again) under the bruno case i missed in the game but that is a stonewall rred from the picture….
Should Bruno Fernandes' red vs. Sp**s have been overturned?
The kovacic tackle you see there (again) under the bruno case i missed in the game but that is a stonewall rred from the picture….
I'm starting to think poor refereeing decisions is way to get more investment in the product.
jones
Captain Serious
We already have certain man here who think they should be rewarded with higher salaries. An actually effective solution is far cheaper than that
MATHEO
Active Member
Im for VAR, but the problem isnt just that the referees are incompetent but also the rules, decisions wont be overturned unless "its an obvious error". The VAR might look at the Kovacic tackle for example and say "I think its a red card but there's room for debate so its not obvious" (I agree with that statement but not the law) and he wont send the ref to the screen. Also the fact that you cant review second yellows is ridiculous. The rules regarding how VAR is used need to change.
Melquiades
Well-Known Member
I'm starting to warm up more and more to the 'blue card' system of sin-binning a player for 10 minutes.
So many of these red card/not red card cases are so borderline and so arbitrary and the difference between 'nothing' and '10 men for the rest of the game' is so massive. If 'two yellows = blue' or if Bruno's red card = blue in either case everyone would have been like 'fair enough' and everything just would have been so much less controversial and so much less of a talking point overshadowing the actual games.
So many of these red card/not red card cases are so borderline and so arbitrary and the difference between 'nothing' and '10 men for the rest of the game' is so massive. If 'two yellows = blue' or if Bruno's red card = blue in either case everyone would have been like 'fair enough' and everything just would have been so much less controversial and so much less of a talking point overshadowing the actual games.
hydrofluoric acid
Down With the Refereearchy
Country: Iceland
Only pen claim if it happens against us.
drippin
Obsessed with "Mature Trusted Members"
Country: Finland
Recommend watching this from Goldbridge. Pretty funny when he's blasting at the referees.
I like Goldbridge quite much. He has been consistent in criticizing the referees no matter who benefits from it. Same for Terry.
It would be really important for non-City fans to unite in this matter and bring the corruption to the forefront as often as possible. It is of no use to laugh at rivals and wait for it to happen to oneself.
Does anyone have examples where City has been robbed in the past decade? Apart from from matches where they were leading by two or more. Or against easy opponents they were certain to win. I don't remember any.
I like Goldbridge quite much. He has been consistent in criticizing the referees no matter who benefits from it. Same for Terry.
It would be really important for non-City fans to unite in this matter and bring the corruption to the forefront as often as possible. It is of no use to laugh at rivals and wait for it to happen to oneself.
Does anyone have examples where City has been robbed in the past decade? Apart from from matches where they were leading by two or more. Or against easy opponents they were certain to win. I don't remember any.
drippin
Obsessed with "Mature Trusted Members"
Country: Finland
Recommend watching this from Goldbridge. Pretty funny when he's blasting at the referees.
I like Goldbridge quite much. He has been consistent in criticizing the referees no matter who benefits from it. Same for Terry.
It would be really important for non-City fans to unite in this matter and bring the corruption to the forefront as often as possible. It is of no use to laugh at rivals and wait for it to happen to oneself.
Does anyone have examples where City has been robbed in the past decade? Apart from from matches where they were leading by two or more. Or against easy opponents they were certain to win. I don't remember any.
I like Goldbridge quite much. He has been consistent in criticizing the referees no matter who benefits from it. Same for Terry.
It would be really important for non-City fans to unite in this matter and bring the corruption to the forefront as often as possible. It is of no use to laugh at rivals and wait for it to happen to oneself.
Does anyone have examples where City has been robbed in the past decade? Apart from from matches where they were leading by two or more. Or against easy opponents they were certain to win. I don't remember any.
Melquiades
Well-Known Member
I'm totally fine with the Southampton goal today standing but it was an unpleasant reminder of Martinelli's goal in 22-23 at Old Trafford in which the Manchester-based VAR went looking for a way to screw us over.
No goal before or since has been ruled out for a marginal foul that far back in play and the near-identical goal today didn't even have a whiff of controversy to it. It's probably the most textbook case of how a referee/VAR can manipulate a result by finding a 'letter of the law' example they can pass off as 'technically correct' even though there is actually zero precedent for the decision.
No goal before or since has been ruled out for a marginal foul that far back in play and the near-identical goal today didn't even have a whiff of controversy to it. It's probably the most textbook case of how a referee/VAR can manipulate a result by finding a 'letter of the law' example they can pass off as 'technically correct' even though there is actually zero precedent for the decision.
hydrofluoric acid
Down With the Refereearchy
Country: Iceland
Mind you given last season the referees only need to screw us once or twice for us to lose out on the title.
