Unai Emery: Adios

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  1. UpTheGunnerz

    UpTheGunnerz No Longer Phallus Obsessed

    Emery inherited a defensive system that hasn't worked for a decade because they haven't been drilled in the art of defending. Will take time to fix. Ofc he haven't done perfectly, but i'd still say the season is okay all in all. Lot of chokers in the prem this year
     
  2. Red London

    Red London Well-Known Member

    I’m not defending the results, that’s not what the post I replied to was talking about. It was a whole another world of randomness
     
  3. MustOezil

    MustOezil Well-Known Member

    Wenger:
    - 3 EPL titles, including 1 unbeaten,
    - 7 FA cups,
    - 20+ years of champions league
    - overperformed when budget was low

    maybe his last few years were subpar, but he deserved those "grace" years.

    Emery can polish his shoes.
     
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  4. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Wrong, But Rarely

    Phenomenal manager.
     
  5. 14Henry

    14Henry Well-Known Member

    Why just the start? To fit your narrative?

    When Wenger took over he had one of the best most regimented defence in the league. He has a mix of hard work and skill. Players like Bergkamp and Wright at his disposal. He had strong leaders who would have died for Arsenal. Does Emery have that?

    Wenger should have gone 5 years ago. His old methods were useless and we needed a new injection of something different when the big teams had the money.

    We need a Klopp or a Guardiola. A strong pull and influence. As each year passed Wenger and Arsenal became less desirable.

    In 22 years Wenger won 3 league titles. Let's take that into abit of context. He didn't dominate the league like United did and the minute it became more than a 2 horse race we folded.

    Wenger was a genius and had a strong influence in his first 10 years. However after that we became stale and while we didn't move too far backwards we didn't move forwards.

    The problem was we got rid of him at the wrong time. 3 or 4 years earlier and we may be looking at a better Arsenal.
     
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  6. UpTheGunnerz

    UpTheGunnerz No Longer Phallus Obsessed

    Unai Emery:
    Three european cups
    One ligue 1 title
    2 coupe de france
    2 coupe de la ligue
    2 trophee des champions

    Some mighty fine stats
     
  7. GDeep™

    GDeep™ Wrong, But Rarely

    Talk about the Emery failings and the discussion goes to Wenger. Wenger didn’t pick 9 defenders versus Palace, or shocking subs versus Brighton, Wenger didn’t build the team on Kolasinac etc.
     
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  8. UpTheGunnerz

    UpTheGunnerz No Longer Phallus Obsessed

    Wenger lost me completely in the summer of 2015, when we only brought in a goalkeeper. What could have been...
     
  9. MustOezil

    MustOezil Well-Known Member

    Neymar, Ben Arfa, Özil.. all examples of players with some sort of character that Emery is not able to handle.

    Now think of guys like Klopp, Mourinho, SAF, and how they would whip those guys in line.
     
  10. UpTheGunnerz

    UpTheGunnerz No Longer Phallus Obsessed


    Klopp, Mou and SAF would probably have sold Özil quite some time ago
     
  11. 14Henry

    14Henry Well-Known Member

    Emery has 3 Europa league titles with a smaller team than Arsenal.

    He won the treble with PSG. Say what you like about the quality of the league but you can only beat what's in front of you. Also Emery is 20+ years younger than Wenger.

    It's like judging a retired champion race horses career with one just starting out.
     
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  12. 14Henry

    14Henry Well-Known Member

    Sir Alex couldn't whip some players into shape so he sold them. Incident with Beckham, Van Nistlerooy, Keane. All had run ins with Ferguson and what did he do. When it become impossible for him he sold them.

    Also you have to remember that those challenging players were in a United team that dominated. It's easy for a manager to take the stance when he is the most powerful person at the club.

    Again football has changed. Guardiola and Klopp have that ability. For sure if Klopp went to the Liverpool board tomorrow and said. Salah is causing me so many problems. He's late he's confrontational. He is trying to take over team meetings based on what Klopp has done to date they would support him.

    Guardiola the same if tomorrow he said I need to sell KDB to maintain team harmony they would support him.

    There's very few managers who have that authority and it's usually the managers who are winning.

    You used Mourinho as an example. His players downed tools at United and also Chelsea. What happened? He was sacked. He didn't outlast the trouble some players.

    Ben Arfa has had many managers and has massively underachieved in his career. Özil is another player who doesn't seem to be able to shake himself and many coaches would struggle with him. Neymar is a celebrity footballer and a marketing god. Similar to pogba.
     
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  13. Peterq

    Peterq New Member

    Ok Wenger wins let's hire him, oh wait... o_O
     
  14. Furious

    Furious Xhaka Propagandist

    What happened to Emery's assistant? Don't even know his name, apparently some tough f*cker, yet turned out to be the biggest let down.
     
  15. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Dishonest To His Federation

    Hard to blame that on Wenger. Most likely there were instructions from above not to spend money that summer because we had spent heavily the summer before.
     
  16. Hunta

    Hunta NOT In A Caravan Trusted

    All these geezers don’t understand that the Barclays is a different breed. They arrive with a confidence and soon realise they have no power here.

    Brexit means Brexit.
     
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  17. 14Henry

    14Henry Well-Known Member

    What's he meant to go beat the head of Mustfai when he messes up? Get real.

    If you listen to all the players and former players they have all said in training it's a lot more intense than under Wenger.
     
  18. Aussie_gunner123

    Aussie_gunner123 Well-Known Member

    If Emery is launching an inquest to the players & staff as to why we ended the season in terrible form, I won't begin to mention how disappointed I was in the last 5 games when we were in 4th place, blew that opportunity then put in that abysmal performance in the final to Chelsea, maybe he should also look at himself & his ideas. His tactics & team selections obviously didn't work in the last 5 PL games, he rested so many main players & almost did so many different formations & selections in those PL games. I think he should have focused more on the PL games, we probably had a better chance that way at that stage.
     
  19. Preacher

    Preacher Anti-Ornstein

    Carcedo probably knows that Mustafi is the lost cause, but after the game against CP, he let Mustafi know what he did wrong. I remember someone on AFTV cried about it and named it toxic environment and cited Mourinho:lol:

    @Furious favourite player also was yelled at:
    When the final whistle sounded Arsenal coach Juan Carlos Carcedo stormed onto the field of play and confronted Torreira over his mistake.
     
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  20. hydrofluoric acid

    hydrofluoric acid Dishonest To His Federation

    Have you listened to him on the side lines and in training? He is yelling some **** that not even Spanish people understand. No wonder the players look confused out there.
     
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