Unai Emery: El Confuso

Discussion in 'Arsenal Talk' started by Mo Britain, Oct 17, 2018.

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Should the club make a change at manager?

  1. Yes

    95.5%
  2. No

    4.5%
  1. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan Trusted

    Tuchel's a bit strident. On one hand he should finally deliver with Saint-Germain to prove himself among the absolute top, but if he does he might be unattainable, on the other hand he's clearly a top tactician.

    Nagelsmann's route over the next years is practically set. He'll stay at Leipzig for three or four seasons, then it's Bayern for him - he's a professed fan of theirs and has stated multiple times he wants to coach them. Think Bayern's next two managers will be Ten Hag and Nagelsmann.

    Allegri would have been my choice to come in straight after Wenger to pragmatically stabilize and improve the squad at hand, but as I now think with the Emery days under way and a bigger squad fluctuation an almost complete rebuild is needed, I'd go for someone fresher who's really sold on the project and to make his name with it.

    Think a dark horse is the way to go. Not as dark as never-having-managed-a-team-himself-Arteta or the just slighlty more experienced Ljungberg, but someone like Vieira if he does well at Nice, the Wilder guy @Rex Banner mentions often, Marcelo Gallardo who's still mostly a no name in Europe despite being very successfull in South America. Haven't looked into him too much, but that Julien Stephan from Stade Rennes seems to do a fine job. I also wouldn't remove Rodgers and Howe from my list before having spoken to them, although the latter might be a singularity just like Streich at SC Freiburg, who probably wouldn't work anywhere (as well) as he does there.

    If Emery was to be sacked during the season, I'd seriously consider Claudio Ranieri as caretaker for the remaining matches.
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2019
  2. Ozil'sCloakOfInvisibility

    Ozil'sCloakOfInvisibility Not a Closet Spurs Fan

    No sweat mate
     
  3. Garrincha

    Garrincha Wilf Zaha Aficionado

    I dont really even know what our style as a club is any more as Wenger lost way last few years & Emery just reaching for anything that works.

    If Edu is bringing the Invicible principles all for that as the perfect blend of attacking & defending... some big dirty mofos for all the attacking quality.
     
  4. Sapient Hawk

    Sapient Hawk #NeverArteta

    Despite what my tagline says, I've come around to this idea sooner for the good of the club.
     
  5. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan Trusted

    Do you happen to know the walrus known as Holger Badstuber, maximum speed: "slow motion"? VfB Stuttgart play out the back very similar to what Norwich did in that posted clip and he's been our best defender so far. Moving 2 metres into any direction after having passed the ball to make yourself available isn't about mobility - it's about the actual willingness to move, doing it with intent, as well as positional awareness and having instructions at hand as to where you are supposed to move according to certain teammates' movement and the overall team movement in certain situations. That's coaching, not individual mobility. Don't have to be ****ing Messi to move into space 2 or 3 metres away.
     
  6. morpho

    morpho Well-Known Member

    Im not even sure what we saw in the beginning of last season was down to Emery. I mean, Id like that, wanting to give him some benefit of the doubt, but what I have seen for the mayority of his games, I think that spell was just players mentally between managers, and that he slowly got his tactics in...
    As much as Id like us (him) to move on, I dont want a replacement for replacement sake (Moaninho should be publicly banned from our stadium). But if there comes a sweet ass manager available between now and next summer, I wouldnt loose sleep, if he got sacked before his contact ended.
     
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  7. Makingtrax

    Makingtrax Policing Emery's English Skills

    Always enjoy your posts and I read it with interest. You make some valid points as always.

    But I’m sticking to what I believe. History shows a longer term manager is always more successful. United had been in the top 4, 5 years running, before Ferguson took over, but he finished 11th twice in the first three seasons. Fans were calling for his head but the club stuck by him, only surviving by the skin of his teeth. Here’s the thing, once he got the right squad he was away and flying and suddenly looked the manager he finally turned out to be.

    Secondly, many of our problems are classic ‘quality’ issues. Too slow on the ball, giving the ball away, too slow in the tackle, rash tackles, indecisiveness, pulling shirts. And we have no proof that these mistakes are due to not understanding Emery or Emery’s lack of tactical know how.

    I would at least like to see how Emery does with a quality DM instead of Xhaka and 2 CBs that can carry out his instructions, instead of the dross we have now. Bellerin and Tierney in there too. There’s nothing wrong with our attack.
     
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  8. Garrincha

    Garrincha Wilf Zaha Aficionado

    It will be interesting to see if Norwich still play like that in the games coming up vs Palace & Villa when pressure really on playing rivals.

    So far they have been expected to lose probably every game.
     
  9. Ewarwoowar

    Ewarwoowar Well-Known Member

    Imho there is no chance of Arteta, he is too timid to want to be caught up in our **** atm, he'll go to a much more settled team, I think he is a man to go for a safer option and atm there is nothing safer than staying at City.
     
  10. Pepes blue pill

    Pepes blue pill Well-Known Member

    Can agree with that considering whats happened since tbh, agree with the sacking him for the sake of it as well and getting in another bad replacement will set us back even further, I dont think freddie would do any worse and think he would get us playing with the bloody football again as well, if hes a massive hit he stays, if not he gives you time whislt we get the right man in....what emery has produced has been poor tho and the last two games have been beyond anything I know, players look lost :(
     
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  11. RunTheTrap

    RunTheTrap Well-Known Member

    People saying Allegri, Mourinho or Simeone as managers just want to suffer don’t they? We have on average the youngest squad in the league right? Those types of managers are notorious for not using youth. Allegri would put Maitudi out on the wing over Dybala. Don’t get me started on Mourinho. We would sell ESR because he doesn’t track back, only for him to win a CL with City 4 years later. Maybe Simeone but even then Correra and Carrasco have struggled big time to succeed there. Pragmatism doesn’t really combine well with the the talent we already have here in my opinion.
     
  12. Pepes blue pill

    Pepes blue pill Well-Known Member

  13. Garrincha

    Garrincha Wilf Zaha Aficionado

    He was also known as Ivans boy so doubt Raul will be intrested with that.

    Not many links left to Arteta at the club now. The Invincibles like Vieira / Thierry / Sol have way more around the club... Crazy turn over last 24 months.
     
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  14. albakos

    albakos Arséne Wenger: "I will miss you" Administrator

    A smart manager would give clear instructions and have players adapt to the opposition and various situations.
    Players are inclined to follow orders, because if someone goes out of the instructions, and then makes a mistake, he will bear all the blame. Hence we kept repeating the same crap over and over again.
    Douzy losing dangerous ball in front of the box, Sokratis kept playing it from the back, Pepe remained high and hardly helped AMN.

    How Emery insisted on playing out from the back and left AMN to hang out dry is a clear indication that he is not flexible and despite glaring issues, he sticks to his poor tactics (whatever they may be, nobody knows)
     
  15. razörist

    razörist Soft With The Ladies, Hard With The Mes

  16. Oxeki

    Oxeki Active Member

    I'm beginning to think that what we saw in the beginning of last season was probably the new manager bounce.

    In the first 10 games of last season, we were arguably the most entertaining team in the PL. I remember the Redcafe having a meltdown after our home performance against Leicester. But that seem like a long time ago now
     
  17. RunTheTrap

    RunTheTrap Well-Known Member

    Almost everything Gazidis has done for this club has pushed us into mediocrity. If he really wanted Arteta then it probably means Arteta is not that good. History would suggest his big decisions are woeful in the long term. I told my friend when we went for Emery was purely because he was the easiest option on the market. He was a free agent, that’s it.
     
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  18. yousif_arsenal

    yousif_arsenal King of Twitter Rumours Moderator

    Manager can have faults but when you Pro player play in top league you can't make these kind of mistakes our players seem making it always since wenger last few years it becoming a habit we need something to fix this before playing nice football our team can score 2-3 goals while playing s**t like yesterday but the bigger problem is still at the back and individual mistakes.
     
  19. Toby Andrl

    Toby Andrl Part Time Stuttgart Fan Trusted

    I'm not arguing the bare fact that longterm managers are usually more successfull, but the fact that you can't just pick one and then stick to him no matter what - you gotta find the right guy first before sticking to him.

    Don't think all of these are classic quality issues. From my perspective on the game a lot of these are triggered by systemic issues, e.g. rash tackles, giving the ball away (note: in this frequency), indecisiveness.

    And I don't even want to get into the chatter about players not understanding Emery, that's hearsay. I'm strictly talking on field performances and tactics.
     
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  20. balthazar

    balthazar Active Member

    We should get Laudrup for the project. Star player with immidiate respect. Did fall of the radar in the last few years. Did well at Getafe and Swansea, maybe not so much in Moscow though. Knows the league, has an attaching philosophy, wants players to express themselves. Can't remember how his teams were defensively, though.
    But he always seem to make enemies where he is and maybe doesn't stay in the same place for long. Which might be a problem.
     

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