Yes. This was clearly meant in relative terms in a purely Guardiola context: This season his squad is even better than last season's, but he still won the league. And that team was better than the 16/17 team with which he came 3rd - and though you could see Guardiola doing his thing back then, even if it didn't result in immediate success. Klopp's first season wasn't a full season. Rodgers had misguided them and I think they were sitting in 10th or something when Klopp took over. They were a bit boring but definitely better than under Rodgers that season and managed to turn up against big sides with an absolute rubbish squad bar few players. And let's not forget while they were rather unstable in the league, he got them into an EL final. In his first full season they looked a completely different animal and went straight back into the Top 4. Dortmund's struggle during Klopp's last season has nothing directly to do with having lesser players. It's a bit part role. If you don't know stuff about other clubs don't use them as examples - in another thread you also showed you had no clue about the background of Auba's striking at Dortmund and subsequent transfer to Arsenal. We've by now seen about a myriad of ideas by Emery which over the last month or two started to get ever more bizarre and backfire. More worryingly I haven't yet seen a clear idea about what he's up to here. 3421, 4312, 4222, 442, 4231, 433, 352, playing out from the back then reverting to more high balls again, aggressive pressing and then back to situational pressing again, Ramsey is the core of my Arsenal, Ramsey frozen out, the Özil saga, the persistence with Guendouzi, Iwobi and Mkhitaryan, the failure to recognize Xhaka is worth more at CM and ripping him and Torreira apart, constantly getting the starting line up wrong and having to correct that mistake at half time, ripping Aubamezette apart....that may be a lot of ideas or hunches, but it speaks volumes about Emery's lack of a clear idea/vision about what he wants to build here - and don't use that "oh it's the **** squad" argument" - you were one of those saying the squad was fine it only needed few additions (which it got) and an able manager. Now you're flip flopping and shedding your opinion 'cause you fell in love with Emery or something. We outplayed Tottenham only to mess up again after that - very vintage Arsenal. That's not progress. Same goes for the Liverpool game. It's nice the lads were able to turn up in these to games, but most games after the Leicester game have been very dodgy. The good games are the minority. I seriously don't get the stuff about this huge task. Just because United absolutely ****ed up their post Ferguson time cause they have a **** CEO doesn't mean it's such a huge task - and handling that transition has mostly been done by Gazidis, Mislintat and Sanllehi - not Emery. He's only the manager the transition handlers have chosen for the time being. His task lies on the field. The transition away from Wenger had been started well before Emery arrived, the club hierarchy had been restructered already and filled with football acumen. It's not like Emery was handed the keys to a messy house and had to do all the cleaning up. It was a house in good order and with good staff. And actually thanks to Wenger's late downfall, there was basically only one way: Up. And a lot of people even are ok with another 5th or 6th - if there's progress and you get the feeling this is going somewhere; and unfortunately I don't feel that. And now don't tell me it's all such a huge task cause the ****ing club chef or physios had to get to know the new guy. Keep in mind that now, post transition, the manager, Emery, is a far smaller and less important and imposing part of the hierarchy than the one man show Wenger was. And on top of that: The guy has been here for half a season now, the getting to know and feeling each other up phase should have been over for a while now, but it still gets used as an apology for Emery being indecisive and jumpy. It takes a bit to take to a new manager's character and methods, but if it takes 6 months there's something wrong with him. Emery even got decent reinforcements in Leno, Sokratis and Torreira for the first XI.